Panther Tires - Questions

[ronbeck]

I skimed through the thread so far and have read a page and half of posts..

The things I want to see ina 2.2 comp tire are:

5" height
2-2 1/2" tread face
aggressive edge for side bite
Directional center lugs
good ballance of tread and open space
and a race style molded/ribed side wall support on the insie of the tire

the m3 and losi claws IMO suffer from weak sidewall support in off camber climbs/decents so a 2 stage foam with a stiffer outer edge and soft center would help.

thnaks

 

[todd1803]

Glad to see Panther is going to step into this market. I've done some hybred tires using Panther race tires, and have had good luck with an LP Komodo with a 2.2 sidewall glued in. They are a little short, but would out-climb all of the popular crawler tires on steep monolithic rocks. What they didn't like was being dirty. I also built a set of 2.2 Gators, and they gripped well, but were just too tall.

I've seen the Cobras used by one of our members here in WA. They work amazingly well for a tire so short. If you were to up the size of that tire to say 5.1" or so, and maybe offset the two rows of treads, to improve side traction a little, you may have a winner.

 

[flomofo]

compare

beyond the losi and proline tires, you guys should research the rubicon by imex which seems to be near the top of performance with the other tires in our area.

they are wide, have an agressive sidewall, and our better than the other for side hilling but dont bow over when mounted so the wide and FLAT surface it would seem is a disadvantage especially when my truck was pretty light, but the thing still worked and gripped really well. So trying to figure what they did right as well even the tire looks substantially different might help to develop a new and different tire.

 

[dkingston]

Great info from all.

My initial suspicions were correct. There isn't "one" tire that will do it all. Panther will be making at least 2 tires for crawling in '08. That, coupled with our various compounds (yes, they will be available in multiple compounds) should be a good start.

Now, the only question is which to do first!

 

[Usmc8541]

Post up a Cad, and we will tell you!:lol:
Thanks for listening.

 

[Bennett1722]

cad!

 

[slobin3d]

Post up a Cad, and we will tell you!:lol:
Thanks for listening.

X2 Give us some Ideas of what designd you're looking at and We'll tell you if we see a winner or something else:lol:"thumbsup"

 

[Reflection]

Something like this is what I would like to see, but where the sipeing in the center is, I would rather see some of the little lugs missing for a little more bite.

That tires,even with a few center lugs taken out,would clog up worse than a Moab. Treads are way to close together.

i was just looking for a pic of those to post, but ya had beat me to it. Pit Bull Rockers. Probably the nest tire for my 1:1 toyota crawler.

For an RC tire I would make the sipes much more aggressive. Possibly make the lugs a "scooped" design as well.

good sidewall to use for traction, but not too much that you get hung up because of it.

I like the idea of different compounds throughout the tire as well if possible. uber-sticky tread and upper sidewall transforming into a stiffer sidewall as it goes towards the bead

I'd like to see a near copy of super swamper"s IROC's ! In my opion they are the best all around 1:1 tire,and they are so squishy you could almost use the same rubber compound. I don't think it's possible to make a "perfect" tire for everything,so do like the the real tire companies do and make at least 3 different treads and compounds. More choices is the American way!

ANYTHING scaled after a 1:1 tire won't work IMHO. The treads will be to close and they'll do nothing but load up.

 

[rocktoy]

Raptorman has it dead nuts. A 1-1 rig weighs alot more which is why they can use a tight pattern. I have Irok's on my 1-1 rig and they are pretty open. They are also torn to shreds and really dont hook to good. I've run alot of tires with tighter patterns which wore better and gripped harder.

 

[Shaun (yota)]

I think if you made this tire with the black areas removed and the grey areas like the tread on the rock claws it would be ok

 

[The Muscle]

5.10 rock climbing shoe rubber.

I only have one thing to add to all I've read so far.

5.10 Stealth rubber"thumbsup"

 

[Jgoodall]

Are there any plans for foams?

 

[dkingston]

We will absolutely do foams. We currently order in bulk and cut our own. There are multiple possibilities and I would imagine we would experiment with molded as well.

There has been discussion as to testing pre-cut foams in some of the various configurations I have seen on this and other sites

 

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

I can't wait till you get your product line rocking

 

[Nitro_Geezer_UK]

An opinion from the UK

I run my rig on IMEX Swamp Dawgs, I think they are a brilliant tyre on my narrowed rims, they have side bite and good forward traction. I run my rig on loose soil, mud, rocks, everywhere and have only been beaten by gravity and lack of grip on a few occasions. These are on my home built rig ussing a K2-3L chassis.

On the other hand my ax10 kit tyres are only really any good on dry rock, the minute they get mud in them they start to slip and loose traction.

So there you have my 2pennyth worth

 

[todd1803]

Wanted to toss another thought into the discussion on sidewalls.

Personally I thing that too much sidewall traction hurts more than it helps. If the sidewalls are too aggressive, and the truck leans over into a wall, or tries to squeeze through a narrow gap, and the top of the sidewall makes contact with the rocks, it will try to drive the truck backwards, and halt your forward progress. I've found that anything more aggressive than the sidewalls on a Masher or Moab is detrimental to tire performance.

 

[crawler_king]

Ive actually experienced this once or twice with my Mashers, but then again I do run really soft foams.. somtimes the tire actually sucks itself down and under and obstruction, or into a crevice.... and you do have to reverse direction to unbind the tire... It might be more the ultra soft foams as opposed to the sidewall tho...

 

[Locked Up]

I think a range of sizes would ne nice.

I know some people say 5" is where it is at for a 2.2 rig but I think that's only becasue there isn't a good crawler tire that is larger. Look at 1:1 and you'll see a lot of guys in the are finding they can do a lot more with a 40" tire than a 36".

If there was a 6" tall tire built nice and sticky, it'd sell like hotcakes. All you need to do is make the sidewall progressivly thinner (or even a step) as it goes out towards the tread. That way it can handle side hilling like a smaller tire but you still get the benefit of the extra clearance under the axles, etc.

As far as the tread pattern is concerned, something like a TSL bogger but with every other lug removed and some grooving for lateral traction. Lugs should be deep but no so deep that they fold over on themselves easily.

Really though, if you make a sticky 6" tire (max size for the 2.2 class) I bet you'll have trouble keeping them on the shelves.

 

[limited77]

Greetings,

I have been lurking on this (and a couple of other) forums for a while, bringing myself up to speed on Crawling. We at Panther, as well as many other major RC manufacturers believe that the already large segment of RC crawling will experience major growth over the next couple of years.

With that said, Panther will be entering the crawler tire market in the first quarter of 2008.

One of my responsibilities with Panther is in product development. I am looking for input as to what the crawler community is looking for in tires for competition. Like Ross Perot, we are all ears!

This is not a shallow request. In my research of the crawling segment of RC, I have decided to get into crawling myself. Since I am jumping in, this project is front-and-center on my priority list.

Thanks for reading!

Be careful for what you wish for, there are some on here that like to be childish and will report this as a vendor feeler thread. Just giving you a heads up because it has happened before. Good luck with your endeavors. I can't wait to see what you guys will develop.

Keep up the good work!"thumbsup"

 

[I B RACIN]

There won't be any 6" 2.2 tires they are to big for all, except mabe a clod based 2.2. there is a small number of these and from a marketing standpoint thats not a good move.

Do look for some goood stuff to come.


IB..