Bush Resigns!

[roktoy]

My ancestors came as legal immigrants as well as 99% of all caucasian descendants in the US. I dare you to find a descendant of a legal immigrant from Mexico. Just go ask them while their standing at the home depot "Are you legal?" or "Illegal Inmigrante?".

Wow......can you really believe you said this??? I know and have found plenty of them.

Sure we have an illegal problem and I'm pissed about it, but your comment is pure and simple racist slant.
Jay

 

[XSRCdesign]

HEY!




At least it wasn't Hillary...











I'll admit, I think this country got wrapped up in the "change" gimmick, hell I almost did.. It was possibly the worst point in time for our country to make an educated choice not based on emotion.

I didn't like my choices 100% on either side, and I'll be honest, the idea of either of them didn't sound appealing.

So I didn't vote... I got tons of :shock: looks for it, but at the end of the day, I couldn't make an honest choice that I felt wasn't based on emotion and media hype..

I only fear that the majority of the public didn't do the same...





I can say that even under bush, I get taxed at almost 40% on some of my checks, while I watch people at the grocery store talk on their blackberries, and pull food stamps (actually its a card so they can be more "descrete") out of their coach purses and show pride that they worked the system...

I just hope it doesn't get worse..

 

[elvis]

Please explain exactly which part was incorrect. OUR President is elected by the Electoral College, not the popular vote.

As for Democracy, The word “democracy” does not appear in the Constitution. Our nation is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. The Founders feared Democracy (unrestricted rule by majority) and favored a Republic (rule of law where the law limits the government).

Do I don't believe everything I see on the Internet? No. I leave the starry eyed idol worship to those who who voted for Obama based on his color, hatred for the current administration, and those who were just plain sucked into the "Change" hype. I researched my choice for candidate based on my beliefs and views.

As for the "Republican Media Machine???? That's hysterical.:ror:

The networks, newspapers, and a majority of the cable "News" networks are all so biased to the left, that to call their product "reporting " is a bold face lie! Unlike so many, I did not fall prey to the liberal media's tidal wave of bias that wrapped Obama up in a pretty little package and presented to the public like a gift from God.

While I don't wear cowboy boots, I do worry that many of the rights, liberties, and freedoms I hold dear, are coming under attack from Mr. Obama and those who follow in his socialist doctrine. As such I will continue to exercise my rights and express my displeasure w/ his appointment.

I guess we'll see how that rose smells in a few months.

Fox news anyone? Talk about biased.
Guess we'll have to wait and see, but thats all I was aking in the first place.

 

[JeremyH]

I never said Bush controlled anything before his Presidency. You did. Mighty typical conservative manuever, you get a gold star.

Oh, then why were you mentioning the "Republican control" beginning in 1994? Was that simply for shock value?
Conservative? Yes, I am. I like to keep my rights.
Thanks for the star, please send the money to Badger and make sure he applies it to my name.

JeremyH are you related or in love somehow with Ms Coulter? Your opinions are much like her books.

Typical. No facts to state so you resort to name calling. Time for you to start reading about life on Wikipedia again.

I like the original Republican ideals, not the new stuff they've become.

Well, we sort of agree here. However, I prefer Libertarian ideals. They are what Republicans strive to be.

 

[binaryterror]

Oh, then why were you mentioning the "Republican control" beginning in 1994?

To show that for 6 years Clinton was able to work bi-partisan efforts and get many of them passed. Basically a little Clinton vs. Bush scenario.

Well, we sort of agree here. However, I prefer Libertarian ideals. They are what Republicans strive to be.

It is looking like if the Libertarians get only a little more liberal they'd be what the original Republicans were.

 

[engineerjoe]

Wow......can you really believe you said this??? I know and have found plenty of them.

Sure we have an illegal problem and I'm pissed about it, but your comment is pure and simple racist slant.
Jay

I don't see how it's racist at all. The only racial comment i made was about my ancestors being caucasian. Mexicans are not a race, they are a nationality.

Every mexican I have ever known has either come here illegally or their parents or grandparents did. Did you see their green cards? How do you know they were here legally?

Where do you live? Every place i have lived (especially Colorado) has a problem with illegal immigration.

 

[engineerjoe]

Well, we sort of agree here. However, I prefer Libertarian ideals. They are what Republicans strive to be.

Libertarians and Republicans are still very different. True libertarianism is more like Anarchy than Republican. Republicans still see a need for most government agencies, just make them smaller. Libertarians see no need for most government agencies and would do away with them.

 

[JeremyH]

Libertarians see no need for most government agencies and would do away with them.

Wrong.

 

[Rockpiledriver]

I took a while.

But Hook Line and Sinker. You win Jason. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[engineerjoe]

Wrong.

Don't just call me wrong, back it up with facts.
The basis of TRUE libertarianism is a constitutionally restricted government. That means that unless it's in the constitution, the gov't can't do it.
This can be taken to an extreme and say that the gov't can't collect income taxes (direct federal taxes was actually prohibited by the constitution) and that the gov't has no right to have depts like the FBI, FDA, and FAA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

Most libertarians now would have been republicans during the Reagan years. Republicans now are just right of center, and will spend nearly as much as the dems

 

[JeremyH]

This can be taken to an extreme and say that the gov't can't collect income taxes (direct federal taxes was actually prohibited by the constitution) and that the gov't has no right to have depts like the FBI, FDA, and FAA.

Exactly....that is just an EXTREME. Most libertarians want to minimize government involvement in the lives of those it governs....not get rid of the government and its agencies (as you posted).

BTW, the reason I gave no fact to back up my previous statement toward you is because you gave no fact in your comment. You simply gave your opinion of what you thought that party's ideals were...

 

[binaryterror]

I took a while.

But Hook Line and Sinker. You win Jason. :lol::lol::lol:

x2"thumbsup"

 

[dirk379]

Guten Tag

Jason

x3

 

[jfraymond]

I think you all are missing the point of that resignation spoof. It has nothing to do with Bush, or Barry or separate little pet projects in themselves or electoral vs popular vote or guns or even the economic down turn in the last 90 days. All of these things are just little points that have led to what is the real issue ……America is no longer going to be America as we know it and functioning the way that made it the greatest nation on earth.

The point is just that over the last quarter of a century the majority views of Americans have switched to supporting a change to a Socialist form of Govt. Its not a who is right or who is wrong type thing…..it’s a simple 53% of Americans voted to go socialism and 46% wished to continue with the traditional American way of life. And whether that 53% really want Socialism in all its glory or simply voted in reaction to the sudden downturn that is part of the natural up and down cycle of the traditional American system, the fact remains that a change is beginning and the 43% are pissed cause we strongly believe that the system of government and traditional American way of life that made us the greatest nation on earth is still the way to go and shouldn’t be abandoned over a few relatively recent challenges. And no amount of “just give Socialism a chance” is going to change that Opinion overnight.

Its like this…..you get 100 of your friends to go out and play sports. You play and have fun for 232 days. Then a few of your buddies during a week of playing Football sprain a ankle, play slows down and their isn’t quite as much scoring or excitement so you take your normal every 4 day break and vote to switch up the teams, change to baseball, basketball, whatever, just like normal. Well 53 of the guys vote to switch and start having the Butt Sex. Per the rules of your group ,“majority rules” , that is what you must play, but no amount of reasoning or persuasion is going to convince the other 46 that Butt Sex is part what was assumed as playing sports and happily let the 53 screw them!!

And that is the position (no pun intended) that the results of this election has put us in. We have half the group that wants socialism and half the group that wants the original American way of doing things and no amount of dialogue can close a gap of 2 diametrically opposed views like that.

 

[binaryterror]

53% chose Democratic, many of those did so because of how the "Bush Republican" times have become and what transpired, Bush didn't single-handedly do it, but his approval rating since re-election have only gone down seriously. Many who voted for Obama would have voted for any Democrat, not just Obama.

McCain while not the same at all with Bush, was too closely tied and that scared the Americans, those 53% at least. The ad showing McCain voting with Bush 90% of the time was a huge piece of the pie for many Independents. I bet this ad alone honestly was a major reason Obama won the election...

Traditional America isn't Republican or Democratic. The best Traditional America would be described as non-partisan and allowing 3rd parties a better chance.

As a citizen I am concerned over the Democrat taking over the Congress so soundly. Personally I favor the House to be able to be highly effected and swayed, the scary part is when the Senate is so lopsided as well. I hope the super Liberal freaks don't over do it. Right now it should be a focus on economy and the War, then and only then move to change.

 

[engineerjoe]

Exactly....that is just an EXTREME. Most libertarians want to minimize government involvement in the lives of those it governs....not get rid of the government and its agencies (as you posted).

BTW, the reason I gave no fact to back up my previous statement toward you is because you gave no fact in your comment. You simply gave your opinion of what you thought that party's ideals were...

I have backed up my statements.
My opinion, is that you are using the word libertarian as a "slightly more right" than republicans when really libertarians are way right (opposite of authoritarian) By your definition, Reagan was a Libertarian. By my definition, Reagan was a little more right than mainstream republicans.

We are just arguing about where the line between republicans and libertarians starts. I think it is farther right than you do.

 

[JeremyH]

I have backed up my statements.
My opinion, is that you are using the word libertarian as a "slightly more right" than republicans when really libertarians are way right (opposite of authoritarian) By your definition, Reagan was a Libertarian. By my definition, Reagan was a little more right than mainstream republicans.

We are just arguing about where the line between republicans and libertarians starts. I think it is farther right than you do.

You backed up your statements? With opinion?

You can have your opinion as to what a Libertarian is, but the last person they chose to represent them in the highest political office in our country is the best representative of the current positions of the party. That goes for any party. Sure, things might have been different in years past, but times change. There are always extremes, but as everything in life, that is not what represents the norm.

 

[engineerjoe]

You backed up your statements? With opinion?

You can have your opinion as to what a Libertarian is, but the last person they chose to represent them in the highest political office in our country is the best representative of the current positions of the party. That goes for any party. Sure, things might have been different in years past, but times change. There are always extremes, but as everything in life, that is not what represents the norm.

McCain's positions do not reperesent the majority of republican voters. Obama's positions do not represent the majority of Democratic voters.
They are both further left.
And by the way, Bob Barr (the person I voted for and the Libertarian candidate this year) wanted to take "drastic reductions in spending and elimination of corporate welfare" as well as eliminate the IRS.

Yes, I supported my argument with Wiki. Since the elections all the candidates websites have dried up and so did all the good info.

 

[binaryterror]

And by the way, Bob Barr (the person I voted for and the Libertarian candidate this year) wanted to ... eliminate the IRS.

With a Flat Tax? I want Flat Taxing!

 

[JeremyH]

And by the way, Bob Barr (the person I voted for and the Libertarian candidate this year) wanted to take "drastic reductions in spending and elimination of corporate welfare" as well as eliminate the IRS.

Yes, I am well aware of Bob Barr as this was who I cast my vote for in this past election. Barr wanted to reform the tax system of this country. He was for changing to a Flat Tax (what he called "Fair Tax"). That would minimize involvement of the IRS. They would still be a necessary entity to collect and check all returns. Any intelligent person would realize that this agency would not be eliminated.

BTW, backing up statements with stuff from the internet is not what I would consider valid....there are many things on the internet, not everything is true."thumbsup"