Bush Resigns!

[Rockpiledriver]

You can see clearly Americans outspend to get the better coverage. We also have far more doctors because our corrupt health care systems pay more than the governmentally controlled rates in Canada. We can not compare Apples to Oranges.

Here's a thought. Move to Canada..."thumbsup"

 

[JeremyH]

Obama will be out in 4 years, remember, it only took 4 years of Carter to get Reagan.

That is a VERY good point.

...also the US citizen on average pays more for the "premium" care we are offered.
...Adding in personal expenses including eye care, dental, and perscriptions; average $917 per Canadian and $3,372 per American.

Really? It sounds like those people made TERRRIBLE decisions when selecting an insurance provider. Currently my health care is setup as follows:
Amount deducted from my paycheck: $0
Annual Deductible: $1000
Copays: $0

I also have a HSA account that I can contribute pre-tax money to that can be used to pay my deductible....and if I choose (for some stupid reason) to change providers, I keep that money and use it as I please.

It sounds like all that Canada has done was to remove the bad decisions made by the uneducated people and give them fewer choices.

BTW, I deal with healthcare and the insurance associated with that care on a daily basis....not just read about it on Wikipedia. You should know that most figures reported on insurance billing are misinterpreted. Medicare sets the payable guideline (most providers follow suit)....and they only reimburse about 1/3 the amount that is billed. So what does that mean? It means that to get proper reimbursement for treatments, doctors and hospitals must bill 3 times the amount they would like to receive. Which figure do you think is reported by the sensationilist media?

The U.S. government spends more per capita on health care than the government does in Canada. In 2004, the government of Canada spent $2,120 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government spent $2,724.

So let me ask you, does this figure include the free treatment provided to the millions of illegal immigrants in this country? If so, then I have a great plan on reducing that figure!!

 

[Just_Gerald]

Where I work, patients start treatment quickly and yes, even small towns have treatment facilities. That is a good aspect of consumerism....plenty of options!

Of course I wouldnt find any Canuks that would want to exchange healthcards....because most of them believe that your healthcare is free....when in fact, it is not.

Again you are not reading.

OK i am tired of this. every canadian understands that they are taxed for healthcare. And most Canadians WILL NOT travel to the states without supplemental insurance because of the fear of getting hurt or sick there. I'm pretty sure not many americans have the same fear in coming to canada (or britan, france, finland, australia). Personally, i turned down a $100,000 a year job to move to the states, and hey guess what the healthcare system was one of the major factors in my decision not to go.
if i took into account the extra costs for healthcare, the loss of government sponsered retirement investments i would be making less with the $100,000 job then i am today with my $60,000 job.
Trust me I've reasearched the ins and outs, and everything needed to become an american, and it is just not worth it when you are already a canadian!

I find it hard to belive that a town of 200 people has a hospital, even in USA, in fact i would beleive that the consumerism would prevent that (as there would not be enough people to make money)

I'm done, unless someone can bring up a more complelling reason to be worried

And while i don't agree with everything this guy has to say i think this sums up this thread

<a href="http://punditkitchen.com"><img class="mine_2587538" style="word-spacing:2587538px;font-size:2587538px;" src="http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/14/128711443794974982.jpg" alt="OST!" /></a></a>

 

[JeremyH]

Again you are not reading.

Haha....reading what? Your mind? I read what you write....a news story about a woman wanting free stuff and a list of items that different countries have built. How is that supposed to explain my "pointless ramblings" (as you call them)? All I see is that you can quote stuff and give your opinion...

BTW, thanks for declining that job!"thumbsup"

Oh hey, one more thing....do you think you guys can take that guy in your picture? We dont want him in our country...

 

[freetimecrawler]

I bet this gal would change her health care card for insurance in the USA.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp

 

[coolkidjf7]

This thread is EPIC!

 

[Just_Gerald]

Haha....reading what? Your mind? I read what you write....a news story about a woman wanting free stuff and a list of items that different countries have built. How is that supposed to explain my "pointless ramblings" (as you call them)? All I see is that you can quote stuff and give your opinion...

BTW, thanks for declining that job!"thumbsup"

Oh hey, one more thing....do you think you guys can take that guy in your picture? We dont want him in our country...

your welcome, it was an american company that moved our canadian subsiduary to the states. we always made money, now it doesn't exist. real glad i didn't go!

I'm now working on bringing my canadian companies us plants back to Canada.

 

[dezfan]

Thanks that was a waste of 10 minutes but I regret to inform you that majority does rule in the us. Majority just picked YOUR new president. Thanks for playing. Do you believe everything you see on the internet? If so we have much to discuss.
I looks like the republican media machine has you shaking in your cowboy boots. Exactly what they want.

A rose by any other name.

Please explain exactly which part was incorrect. OUR President is elected by the Electoral College, not the popular vote.

As for Democracy, The word “democracy” does not appear in the Constitution. Our nation is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. The Founders feared Democracy (unrestricted rule by majority) and favored a Republic (rule of law where the law limits the government).

Do I don't believe everything I see on the Internet? No. I leave the starry eyed idol worship to those who who voted for Obama based on his color, hatred for the current administration, and those who were just plain sucked into the "Change" hype. I researched my choice for candidate based on my beliefs and views.

As for the "Republican Media Machine???? That's hysterical.:ror:

The networks, newspapers, and a majority of the cable "News" networks are all so biased to the left, that to call their product "reporting " is a bold face lie! Unlike so many, I did not fall prey to the liberal media's tidal wave of bias that wrapped Obama up in a pretty little package and presented to the public like a gift from God.

While I don't wear cowboy boots, I do worry that many of the rights, liberties, and freedoms I hold dear, are coming under attack from Mr. Obama and those who follow in his socialist doctrine. As such I will continue to exercise my rights and express my displeasure w/ his appointment.

I guess we'll see how that rose smells in a few months.

 

[JeremyH]

your welcome, it was an american company that moved our canadian subsiduary to the states. we always made money, now it doesn't exist. real glad i didn't go!

I'm now working on bringing my canadian companies us plants back to Canada.

Sooooo.....what about MM? Anything? We could use a little help with him. We tried to send him to Cuba, but they sent him back...:-(

 

[Just_Gerald]

Sooooo.....what about MM? Anything? We could use a little help with him. We tried to send him to Cuba, but they sent him back...:-(

Thats cause he kept taking americans there for proper health care"thumbsup"

so he's not entiltled to the free speech and freedoms that you are entitled to, just because he doesn't agree with everything the government and corporate america say/stands for? hummm, reminds me of a few people lately...

oh and dez
A constitutional republic is a form of democracy,

 

[JeremyH]

Thats cause he kept taking americans there for proper health care"thumbsup"

so he's not entiltled to the free speech and freedoms that you are entitled to, just because he doesn't agree with everything the government and corporate america say/stands for? hummm, reminds me of a few people lately...

Haha....proper health care? Those damn FDA regulations are always getting in the way! Just head south where they dont have them!

Sure, he's entitled to free speech...but when he starts selling, that's when I'm entitled to instate my freedom of speech. That guy is just another movie maker....he shows what he wants to...not the truth. He's entitled the same freedom as others that hate our country....to be shown the door.

 

[binaryterror]

As for Democracy, The word “democracy” does not appear in the Constitution. Our nation is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. The Founders feared Democracy (unrestricted rule by majority) and favored a Republic (rule of law where the law limits the government).

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power.

Obama won both Dez, the Democratic Electoral votes as well as the Popular vote as described in a Constitutional Republic. By your own ramblings, since Bush lost his first popular vote, he was not a Constitutional Republic president and it was the Democratic electoral vote that saved his ass, and ruined our country.

Once again, because you seem to think McCain had a chance in the popular vote, he lost soundly.
Democratic Electorals:
Obama: 365
McCain: 162
Constitutional Republic Popular Vote:
Obama: 66.88 million, (53%)
McCain: 58.34 million, (46%)

The Founders feared Democracy

The founders were also for the Seperation of Church and State. Most of the authors were Deists, not atheists, or Monotheists (like Christians). Yet daily Christians try to over turn the constitution adding the word "God" alone to money and the Pledge of Allegiance is actually against the constitution of the USA. Swearing in at a court or any government appointed position would be illegal were it to be done on a bible.

First Amendment clearly states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

 

[JeremyH]

...and ruined our country.

Wow....Bush single handedly ruined this country...what a powerful guy.:roll:

If he did this, then why did the Dems in congress just sit by and watch?

 

[dezfan]

A constitutional republic is a state where the head of state and other officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches and the will of the majority of the population is tempered by protections for individual rights so that no individual or group has absolute power.

Yeah, that's what I said. NOT A DEMOCRACY!"thumbsup"

Obama won both Dez, the Democratic Electoral votes as well as the Popular vote as described in a Constitutional Republic.

Did I state otherwise?

Once again, because you seem to think McCain had a chance in the popular vote, he lost soundly.
Democratic Electorals:
Obama: 365
McCain: 162
Constitutional Republic Popular Vote:
Obama: 66.88 million, (53%)
McCain: 58.34 million, (46%)


I never questioned the election results, only the false interpretation that it was a "landslide".



The founders were also for the Seperation of Church and State. Most of the authors were Deists, not atheists, or Monotheists (like Christians). Yet daily Christians try to over turn the constitution adding the word "God" alone to money and the Pledge of Allegiance is actually against the constitution of the USA. Swearing in at a court or any government appointed position would be illegal were it to be done on a bible.

First Amendment clearly states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

I never stated anything about relegion or the Government's role in it, so what's your point.

...

 

[binaryterror]

Wow....Bush single handedly ruined this country...what a powerful guy.:roll:

If he did this, then why did the Dems in congress just sit by and watch?

Lets see 2006 to 2008 is all the democrats have held a command in Congress, 2 years. Republicans were in control 1994 until 2006. Bush had 6 years of a Republican Congress and only just started 2 years of a Democratic Congress.

When I say Bush ruined, I clearly mean his policies and the officials he chose, one man selected those policies and officials, though I think his name was Dick Cheney.

 

[JeremyH]

When I say Bush ruined, I clearly mean his policies and the officials he chose, one man selected those policies and officials, though I think his name was Dick Cheney.

Wow! Even before he was in office (even when Clinton was in office) he was ruining this country. Holy crap! He must be the most powerful man in the world! Is this GW???

 

[fourxfunk]

I wanted McCain to win not because he's my idea of the ideal president but because he was the more conservative of the two and he actually cares about things like national security and my right to succeed and not have it snatched out of my hand. But that being said, Obama won.. I expect nothing good out of him and will be presently surprised if we make it through the next 4 years unscathed. But he is our president elect so yah, tough beans conservatives. We had the house, congress, the presidency..everything.. but those hacks we elected cared more about "bi-partismship" than the left does obviously, and we became them.. I think the Republicans need to get back to their roots and fight for whats right"thumbsup"
We got what we deserved.. this time around:-(

 

[dezfan]

I wanted McCain to win not because he's my idea of the ideal president but because he was the more conservative of the two and he actually cares about things like national security and my right to succeed and not have it snatched out of my hand. But that being said, Obama won.. I expect nothing good out of him and will be presently surprised if we make it through the next 4 years unscathed. But he is our president elect so yah, tough beans conservatives. We had the house, congress, the presidency..everything.. but those hacks we elected cared more about "bi-partismship" than the left does obviously, and we became them.. I think the Republicans need to get back to their roots and fight for whats right"thumbsup"
We got what we deserved.. this time around:-(

I agree.:-(

 

[binaryterror]

Wow! Even before he was in office (even when Clinton was in office) he was ruining this country.

I never said Bush controlled anything before his Presidency. You did. Mighty typical conservative manuever, you get a gold star. I was merely pointing out that your blanket statement below was a false account:

If he did this, then why did the Dems in congress just sit by and watch?

If your party does not hold a majority you will not easily defeat bills, change policies, or be able to move the country's game plan ahead.

JeremyH are you related or in love somehow with Ms Coulter? Your opinions are much like her books.

I think the Republicans need to get back to their roots and fight for whats right"thumbsup"

Yup Bush and the "new" Republicans hurt themselves over the last 4 years. They lost control of the congress and now the presidency. Americans got sick of their "new" Republican ways. I do believe Bush not to be a true Republican he was a conservative, who acted in many ways against what has been know as the Republican way of less spending and less federal control. I like the original Republican ideals, not the new stuff they've become.

It is painfully obvious though from this thread and the others deleted before it, that this country can no longer be bi-partisan.

 

[Trugg]

I never said Bush controlled anything before his Presidency. You did. Mighty typical conservative manuever, you get a gold star. I was merely pointing out that your blanket statement below was a false account:


If your party does not hold a majority you will not easily defeat bills, change policies, or be able to move the country's game plan ahead.

JeremyH are you related or in love somehow with Ms Coulter? Your opinions are much like her books.



Yup Bush and the "new" Republicans hurt themselves over the last 4 years. They lost control of the congress and now the presidency. Americans got sick of their "new" Republican ways. I do believe Bush not to be a true Republican he was a conservative, who acted in many ways against what has been know as the Republican way of less spending and less federal control. I like the original Republican ideals, not the new stuff they've become.

It is painfully obvious though from this thread and the others deleted before it, that this country can no longer be bi-partisan.

Man, it SURE is nice to have SOMEONE here who has a clue what they are talking about and can argue intelligently"thumbsup"
Thank you for your always intelligent, fact filled, well written posts Binaryterror8)

...some of you "other" guys shock me with your arrogance...its sad really:shock::-(