I've seen videos of your traffic. It's insane - like organized chaos. American drivers would have crashes at every intersection at least every hour.
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I've seen videos of your traffic. It's insane - like organized chaos. American drivers would have crashes at every intersection at least every hour.
wings_of_fire
Quarry Creeper
Bring it into the minutes range :lmao:
Putting someone from an organized atmosphere into an unorganized one always ends up with tragedy.
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We recently got two roundabouts put in nearby where you can exit off or enter back onto the interstate and needless to say it's been...interesting so far. I've seen many people do the twice-around, the old person that pulls in at almost a standstill, and the occasional nut that drives straight in as though the yield signs weren't present and hopes everyone else will hit their brakes first.
Roundabouts are flaws - horrible designs. I'm sorry you are subjected to new ones!
skinnyj
Pebble Pounder
Rotaries (New England-ese for "Roundabouts") were a large part of my driving education when I was young. Thankfully, as the roads have been being upgraded, they have been eliminating rotaries.
The waste dump of the country, New Jersey, had a profound love of roundabouts, and even they were getting rid of them. I'm not sure why other parts of America has suddenly fall in love with them.
There is a newer roundabout that was put in not all that far from me. There are assholes that speed through and never yield. They are dangerous.
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I've worked hard to get where I am too, but that wasn't the point. It's not about working hard or not working hard, it's what that work gets you. On average, it's less than the previous generation.
Maybe you missed it, but she's not rich, her parents are. She still earns her own regular income.
It's more anti-capitalist than anti-American. The end result of a purely capitalist society is that the money gets concentrated towards the top. Ever play Monopoly? That is capitalism in a nutshell. Unless something is put in place to keep that in check, we'll all suffer.
Trickle down economics is killing our economy. It's a manipulation of the free market skewed towards corporate profits. You want to talk about people not earning a handout, start there.
I've worked hard to get where I am too, but that wasn't the point. It's not about working hard or not working hard, it's what that work gets you. On average, it's less than the previous generation.
Maybe you missed it, but she's not rich, her parents are. She still earns her own regular income.
It's more anti-capitalist than anti-American. The end result of a purely capitalist society is that the money gets concentrated towards the top. Ever play Monopoly? That is capitalism in a nutshell. Unless something is put in place to keep that in check, we'll all suffer.
Trickle down economics is killing our economy. It's a manipulation of the free market skewed towards corporate profits. You want to talk about people not earning a handout, start there.
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I disagree. Do you think working in an office and living a comfortable lifestyle is comparable to or somehow harder than our forefathers risking their lives in mines just to eat and barely get by? I mean where is the proof that working hard gets you less than it has in the past?
A bachelor's degree means less now than it did a few years ago. So now you need a degree and a hard work ethic or maybe even multiple degrees. In that regard it has become more difficult because the competition keeps improving. But, again, is that more difficult than 12 hour days in a factory or mine? I don't think so.
If you read the story she certainly was never poor and always above average, at the very least, while being raised. Her parents paid for her schooling at Yale and she wasn't eligible for financial aid. She doesn't know what poor means even though she tried to play that lifestyle and live it when she chose to move into low-income housing. She was raised rich and out of touch and she's still that way because of the safety net her parents provide. She even admitted to thinking that an extra $2,000 a month from her parents wouldn't have a big affect on her life! Their wealth will be her wealth one day. She's living a rich, out of touch life whether you want to admit that or not.
America has a mixed economic system. It's not pure capitalism, but it works. It's proven itself over centuries. And that's why we have the strongest economy in the world.
I don't agree that the rich or businesses should get taxed less, or worse, no taxes as the result of incentives, but I also don't agree that they should get punished for being wealthier than me.
I disagree. Do you think working in an office and living a comfortable lifestyle is comparable to or somehow harder than our forefathers risking their lives in mines just to eat and barely get by? I mean where is the proof that working hard gets you less than it has in the past?
A bachelor's degree means less now than it did a few years ago. So now you need a degree and a hard work ethic or maybe even multiple degrees. In that regard it has become more difficult because the competition keeps improving. But, again, is that more difficult than 12 hour days in a factory or mine? I don't think so.
If you read the story she certainly was never poor and always above average, at the very least, while being raised. Her parents paid for her schooling at Yale and she wasn't eligible for financial aid. She doesn't know what poor means even though she tried to play that lifestyle and live it when she chose to move into low-income housing. She was raised rich and out of touch and she's still that way because of the safety net her parents provide. She even admitted to thinking that an extra $2,000 a month from her parents wouldn't have a big affect on her life! Their wealth will be her wealth one day. She's living a rich, out of touch life whether you want to admit that or not.
America has a mixed economic system. It's not pure capitalism, but it works. It's proven itself over centuries. And that's why we have the strongest economy in the world.
I don't agree that the rich or businesses should get taxed less, or worse, no taxes as the result of incentives, but I also don't agree that they should get punished for being wealthier than me.
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The proof is that inflation is outrunning wages at an ever increasing rate. The proof is that I'm making the wages that my dad made 30 years ago, and I'm noticably less well off.
I agree that she is out of touch, but she is aware of it and I'll give her the benefit of at least attempting to see the other side.
Our economy is pretty good, but that doesn't mean it's working to our benefit.
Whenever there is talk of putting more money in the hands of the consumer, it's always framed as being a punishment for the wealthy. It's not. It's a correction. The money can't flow upwards forever.
The proof is that inflation is outrunning wages at an ever increasing rate. The proof is that I'm making the wages that my dad made 30 years ago, and I'm noticably less well off.
I agree that she is out of touch, but she is aware of it and I'll give her the benefit of at least attempting to see the other side.
Our economy is pretty good, but that doesn't mean it's working to our benefit.
Whenever there is talk of putting more money in the hands of the consumer, it's always framed as being a punishment for the wealthy. It's not. It's a correction. The money can't flow upwards forever.
2mtech
RCC Addict
I've previously ranted about the new "X" ramps they're playing with here, where an on and off ramp share a common straightaway for a short distance. Still trying to determine what mental midget decided this recipe for failure seemed like a good idea!
I recently drove in Italy where roundabouts exist at every intersection, and they worked...surprisingly well. But then I was immensely impressed overall at how much more civilized driving was there in general. I could just imagine if people here had to use big convex mirrors mounted on posts at crossroads to see oncoming traffic! :shock:
I recently drove in Italy where roundabouts exist at every intersection, and they worked...surprisingly well. But then I was immensely impressed overall at how much more civilized driving was there in general. I could just imagine if people here had to use big convex mirrors mounted on posts at crossroads to see oncoming traffic! :shock:
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You're comparing your wages to that of your dad's, but adjusted for inflation, correct?
The economy isn't steady. You may get less for your money now than you have in the past, but you may also get more for your money in the future than you do now.
I'm not going to pretend to have a solution for inflation. It doesn't help that people continue to pay outrageous prices for non necessity items. $50,000+ for a new truck, $30,000+ for any car that's not bare bones econobox, $1,400 for a cellphone, etc. If consumers didn't pay those prices they would come down. And when inflation gets out of control the economy can crash and cause deflation.
I don't think she's made a real valid attempt to see the other side. She couldn't handle being a teacher for more than 3 years and she's not giving up her allowance. But, in her defense, she doesn't have to give up anything.
I think it comes down to determining what is fair. That varies depending on the person you talk to. The extremes vary from people that don't want taxes to the people that don't want to work and have others support them. Both happen and both are unrealistic in terms of sustainability.
People always want to blame the rich, but if not for the rich there would be a whole lot less jobs. Money creates businesses and businesses create jobs.
You're comparing your wages to that of your dad's, but adjusted for inflation, correct?
The economy isn't steady. You may get less for your money now than you have in the past, but you may also get more for your money in the future than you do now.
I'm not going to pretend to have a solution for inflation. It doesn't help that people continue to pay outrageous prices for non necessity items. $50,000+ for a new truck, $30,000+ for any car that's not bare bones econobox, $1,400 for a cellphone, etc. If consumers didn't pay those prices they would come down. And when inflation gets out of control the economy can crash and cause deflation.
I don't think she's made a real valid attempt to see the other side. She couldn't handle being a teacher for more than 3 years and she's not giving up her allowance. But, in her defense, she doesn't have to give up anything.
I think it comes down to determining what is fair. That varies depending on the person you talk to. The extremes vary from people that don't want taxes to the people that don't want to work and have others support them. Both happen and both are unrealistic in terms of sustainability.
People always want to blame the rich, but if not for the rich there would be a whole lot less jobs. Money creates businesses and businesses create jobs.
Eh I disagree, I don't think they make sense in super heavy traffic areas but for most rural areas they work better than 4 ways or 3 ways, and there are some intersections here that desperately need them but can't because of the space required. Of course it's possible to get a little too crazy with roundabouts going into roundabouts but for the most part I prefer them to every 4 way stop around here. I just think the main thing holding them back is the average American driver.
OSRC
I wanna be Dave
I agree, I think they have eliminated or significantly improved some pretty busy intersections around here.
The average driver has become a menace. 5 run red lights on school buses last year, including 1 old man who was 2 feet from my kids. Didn't even slow down. People routinely race down my road at 50-60 (it's 35 in front of my house) not to mention everyone starting at their phones constantly. I sit out in front of the house watching the cars during bus pickups, and I estimate 25% of the people going by are doing something with their phones. it's unreal!!
And that's just in front of the house, I won't get started on the morning commute.
/end rant/
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Not adjusted for inflation. 30ish years ago he made around $50k. I currently make around the same. If you adjust for inflation, you'd have to kick mine up to $93k.
Of course the economy isn't steady, but the gap between wages and inflation had done nothing but steadily increase for quite a while.
Getting more for your money in the future does nothing for the now.
People have always done that, and always will. Even in countries without massive gaps in earnings.
She doesn't, and I don't think many of us would. There's no real motivation. If I had wealthy parents that literally had money to burn, I wouldn't feel a bit bad about lightening their load.
Her example of giving everyone $2k a month is unrealistic, and I believe that she's smart enough to know that. I read the whole thing as an example of what a universal basic income could do. It's not anything that's going to happen any time soon, so there's no point in thinking too hard about it.
That, in a nutshell, is demand side economics, which is what you're arguing against.
I don't blame rich people. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Not adjusted for inflation. 30ish years ago he made around $50k. I currently make around the same. If you adjust for inflation, you'd have to kick mine up to $93k.
Of course the economy isn't steady, but the gap between wages and inflation had done nothing but steadily increase for quite a while.
Getting more for your money in the future does nothing for the now.
People have always done that, and always will. Even in countries without massive gaps in earnings.
She doesn't, and I don't think many of us would. There's no real motivation. If I had wealthy parents that literally had money to burn, I wouldn't feel a bit bad about lightening their load.
Her example of giving everyone $2k a month is unrealistic, and I believe that she's smart enough to know that. I read the whole thing as an example of what a universal basic income could do. It's not anything that's going to happen any time soon, so there's no point in thinking too hard about it.
That, in a nutshell, is demand side economics, which is what you're arguing against.
I don't blame rich people. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
They are certainly not the cure-all that city planners want them to be, but they do have their place. I have seen them put to good use where traffic congestion was really bad prior to their installation, and now traffic flows a lot easier.
The biggest issue I have seen with them are drivers that do not know how to use them. A few weeks ago a new round-about got clogged up because one old fart did not know how to negotiate it and stopped in the middle of it.
I like roundabouts...lol
Chevy Chase...https://youtu.be/iAgX6qlJEMc
Im that guy who'd go around and around and around....LMAO
Chevy Chase...https://youtu.be/iAgX6qlJEMc
Im that guy who'd go around and around and around....LMAO
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Your father was doing well for himself. I don't know how you can expect $50k to be worth as much now as it was 30 years ago when we have inflation.
I agree that more controlled inflation or wage increases that matched cost of living would be great. I'd love to be able to buy more shit on my same salary. :mrgreen:
Obviously...
Exactly. A lot of people live beyond their means by choice and you can't blame that on capitalism, the rich, or anything other than their poor choices. The people that live beyond their means by necessity is a different issue. Some of that is also a choice IMO. Lots of people are simply too lazy and unmotivated to make themselves better and more educated.
Universal basic income is a horrible thing. We shouldn't be given an allowance.
You may have read too much into that comment, but what I mentioned is part of capitalism.
You may not, but there are lots of people that do.
They have their places and they work elsewhere, but not in the Northeastern United States. People here don't have the driving skill nor the manners for circles. "Me first!" while simultaneously texting doesn't work. Dumb asses here think they should yield at Stop signs and stop at Yield signs. No joke.
Your father was doing well for himself. I don't know how you can expect $50k to be worth as much now as it was 30 years ago when we have inflation.
I agree that more controlled inflation or wage increases that matched cost of living would be great. I'd love to be able to buy more shit on my same salary. :mrgreen:
Obviously...
Exactly. A lot of people live beyond their means by choice and you can't blame that on capitalism, the rich, or anything other than their poor choices. The people that live beyond their means by necessity is a different issue. Some of that is also a choice IMO. Lots of people are simply too lazy and unmotivated to make themselves better and more educated.
Universal basic income is a horrible thing. We shouldn't be given an allowance.
You may have read too much into that comment, but what I mentioned is part of capitalism.
You may not, but there are lots of people that do.
They have their places and they work elsewhere, but not in the Northeastern United States. People here don't have the driving skill nor the manners for circles. "Me first!" while simultaneously texting doesn't work. Dumb asses here think they should yield at Stop signs and stop at Yield signs. No joke.
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But, take a more broad view of wages then vs now, and the overall shift in our consumer purchasing habits. Wages are up, inflation is up, and purchasing habits have shifted drastically. 30 years ago most middle class families had 2 cars, a color tv and a couple cordless phones in the house. Now most middle class families have 3+ cars, a half dozen TVs, and 2 cell phones per resident. The average Joe has substantially more crap than anybody did 30 years ago.
Regardless of what income vs. inflation says, the vast majority of US citizens have a substantially better lifestyle with far more material goods than a generation ago.
You're looking at an example of 1. Widen the aperture a bit, and also consider the context. 30 years ago was 1988, right at the tail end of one of the biggest economic booms our country had since the postwar boom in 1945. Everybody was in a state of excess at that point.
But, take a more broad view of wages then vs now, and the overall shift in our consumer purchasing habits. Wages are up, inflation is up, and purchasing habits have shifted drastically. 30 years ago most middle class families had 2 cars, a color tv and a couple cordless phones in the house. Now most middle class families have 3+ cars, a half dozen TVs, and 2 cell phones per resident. The average Joe has substantially more crap than anybody did 30 years ago.
Regardless of what income vs. inflation says, the vast majority of US citizens have a substantially better lifestyle with far more material goods than a generation ago.
Jug handles, brossef. they call em jug handles. "thumbsup" there are no such things as left turns in jersey.
i spent almost a year in jersey at the naval weapons station earle in Leonardo. right there 2 blocks away from the mini mart they used to film Clerks (1 and 2). im a fan of the askewniverse. if you look close in the stan lee thread, im actually wearing a jay and silent bob shirt from comic con 2003. and yes, i went to kevin smith's comic book store in red bank. it was awesome.
jug handles were strange, but worth it to go get me a fat cat with my GF at Rutgers. good times.
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I hate driving in Jersey with a passion. I can see where I want to go, but there's no way for me to get there without turning right 8-10 times, all the while trying to avoid every goddamned new jersey driver who treats their throttle like an on/off switch and has yet to realize that their vehicle has brakes or directional lights.
