Petition for unified body/bodiless measurements

[Speedracer19]

Why? Weight is one area now that has no limit, and gets pushed harder than any other measurement. Since there is no weight limit now, why add one? And since there is no weight limit, why have a size, material or construction limit?

It's a change for the sake of change & i feel that that would be a way of keeping things in balance between the bodiless & the bodied & wouldn't require a lot of work to obtain & perhaps the new guy coming into the hobby would feel like he could be on level ground.

I mean this is about growing the hobby...right?

Besides 3 is a odd number, 4 sounds better.

 

[krawlfreak]

It's a change for the sake of change & i feel that that would be a way of keeping things in balance between the bodiless & the bodied & wouldn't require a lot of work to obtain & perhaps the new guy coming into the hobby would feel like he could be on level ground.

I mean this is about growing the hobby...right?

Besides 3 is a odd number, 4 sounds better.

It's change for the sake of updating the rules to the current standard in design..

Look at the rules. There is still a tuber as the reference picture with a horizontal skid...

Every time something comes up about bodiless rules committee says " it was intended and based off of tubers on 05"

It about evolution.

The bodiless trucks have come along way and the bodied trucks are so cut and holed up flopping around from one mounting point, what does it really matter at this point.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Damn Ricky, it sounds like you want everyone to go back to TLT or clod axles because the AX-10 is way to new.

Really, hows that. I know the whole time the rules were being made, the intent was to keep them from looking like robots. But now thats what everyone wants. I really don't care at this point.

 

[krawlfreak]

Really, hows that. I know the whole time the rules were being made, the intent was to keep them from looking like robots. But now thats what everyone wants. I really don't care at this point.

It's ok Ricky...some people like robots.

The fact is "when the rules were being made" you guys had no idea where this would be years down the road.

I can see that, all I am asking is that you look where things are now and be honest. Things are different and they could be updated.

The scale sector has filled the void for the "look like a 1:1 crowd"

Why not see where this goes. You know as well as I there are many things in this deal (as a whole) that need attention. Why not support the people that support the comps you put on and go to.

It is clear the big companies are out and have been for a while, and I think there is more coming. It's time to take the reigns and do it for ourselves instead of for hopes they will return.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

It's ok Ricky...some people like robots.

The fact is "when the rules were being made" you guys had no idea where this would be years down the road.

I can see that, all I am asking is that you look where things are now and be honest. Things are different and they could be updated.

The scale sector has filled the void for the "look like a 1:1 crowd"

Why not see where this goes. You know as well as I there are many things in this deal (as a whole) that need attention. Why not support the people that support the comps you put on and go to.

It is clear the big companies are out and have been for a while, and I think there is more coming. It's time to take the reigns and do it for ourselves instead of for hopes they will return.

I think your wrong. I think it will kill the 2.2pro class. All this has just about talked me out of the 2.2pro class. I don;t like where you want to go with it.
I know it would be good for the chassis vendors for a short while, then what change it again.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Really, hows that. I know the whole time the rules were being made, the intent was to keep them from looking like robots. But now thats what everyone wants. I really don't care at this point.

We've got 2.2s to keep the "realism" in the comp classes. IMO the others should be allowed to push the technology...wherever it goes...as long as nobody tries to pull a fast one and gets into a pissing match about "interpretation".

I will say that the bodiless "tuber" example needs to be replaced by something more modern.

 

[krawlfreak]

I think your wrong. I think it will kill the 2.2pro class. All this has just about talked me out of the 2.2pro class. I don;t like where you want to go with it.
I know it would be good for the chassis vendors for a short while, then what change it again.

That's fine. I can respect your opinion, even if I don't share it.

I do think it is a bit crazy to think pushing the envelope will kill anything.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

We've got 2.2s to keep the "realism" in the comp classes. IMO the others should be allowed to push the technology...wherever it goes...as long as nobody tries to pull a fast one and gets into a pissing match about "interpretation". That will always be there you can't get rid of that.

I will say that the bodiless "tuber" example needs to be replaced by something more modern.

I seen all the same talk with the supers, all sounds great. Look at the super class today. When things change so fast that no one can keep up, people stop chasing it. The ones left will be the small group of crawler junkies.

 

[krawlfreak]

I seen all the same talk with the supers, all sounds great. Look at the super class today. When things change so fast that no one can keep up, people stop chasing it. The ones left will be the small group of crawler junkies.

It is going to continue to move fast because it is "competitive crawling"
"Pro" is another term they like to use.

2.2 s is a fantastic class to pull newbs and keep realistic looking crawlers.

Super class is on the rise as far as I can tell from comp participation and the current builds going on.

 

[klabeaume]

I really don't see the negatives of changing the rule. People can still keep all the same bodies they run now if that's what they like. And I bet you wouldn't see just 1/16th bodies on our rigs. I am guessing you might see people push the width and height rules.

I personally dropped the bodied rig just because the wide difference in rules. I prefer a bodied rig but dis like the min body dimensions.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

How about a petition to not allow changes to any particular section of the rules for at least 2 years? :ror:

 

[C*H*U*D]

...as long as nobody tries to pull a fast one and gets into a pissing match about "interpretation".

With only 3 rules, interpretation no longer matters. It's hard to misinterpret a wheelbase measurement, 2.2 wheel size and no rear steer.

 

[EddieO]

Realism classes never tend to last long in the racing arena....its been tried and tried, with very little success, though the VTA class has stuck around, but I still think thats more of the cool factor and getting to use old outdated cars and still be competive.

Ever look at a 2wd buggy? Stadium Truck? 1/8th gas buggy or truggy? Don't look ANYTHING like anything real, yet they are among the biggest classes in the world.

The intent rule needs to go.....rules are meant to be pushed, and a rule like that not only limits that, but it can surely be used for wrong in numerous ways. They tried that in the racing arena way back and it ended in disaster...

Super is small, because of the cost....plain and simple. Even if you change the 2.2pro body rules, still won't every approach the cost of a super.....$350+ in servos alone and spending $100+ to make a set of tires, etc...but like Jermey said, its on the rise. Our local club has more supers going than it ever did and a couple more are in the works.

Later EddieO

 

[TURTLE]

Realism classes never tend to last long in the racing arena....its been tried and tried, with very little success, though the VTA class has stuck around, but I still think thats more of the cool factor and getting to use old outdated cars and still be competive.

Ever look at a 2wd buggy? Stadium Truck? 1/8th gas buggy or truggy? Don't look ANYTHING like anything real, yet they are among the biggest classes in the world.

So what about touring car, drift, rally, pullers, F1, drag cars, short course and scale crawler competition?

Short Course seems to be more popular then stadium trucks and buggies. Hell, I can't even remember the last time I saw a stadium truck.

Plus road cars, rally and F1 are huge in Japan and Europe.

 

[RcBro]

Short course has become so popular here in our state because you can be competitive racing for under $500.

Those who arent great at driving usually stick to short course and those who begin to get good usually step up to a more higher end rig like 4wd mod etc...

I still don't see how possibly changing a body size will ruin a class. As much as I love my sporty rig, I think it's funny that we are trying to make a 2.2s class for beginners to get into the hobby, yet most are still sinking mad amounts of money into what's suppose to be aimed to help the newer guys be competitive. We are over looking this but complaining about updating 7 year old rules to better suite the direction of the 2.2p class.

If its to competitive for you, there's always golf. You think this debate is bad, you should look up the onroad worlds race a few years back when the first speed control with timing and boost advance came out for sensored motors and only ONE guy had it. After that race the forums blew up and so did people's attitudes. Once they all pulled there strings out and realized how nice it was it became the new standard.

 

[Dr.Frank]

...to be honest, i don't run 2.2pro owing to the scale look

Greetings Frank

 

[Robbob]

If its to competitive for you, there's always golf. You think this debate is bad, you should look up the onroad worlds race a few years back when the first speed control with timing and boost advance came out for sensored motors and only ONE guy had it. After that race the forums blew up and so did people's attitudes. Once they all pulled there strings out and realized how nice it was it became the new standard.

But has also been a down slope too ....... boost and timing turned a lot of people away because to go fast you needed the 300$ esc with boost and not the 175$ one with boost.

Now the big push is on hand out esc's and locked motors just to try and bring people back. Give the average joe the feeling he stands a chance on a leveler playing field.

Its a double sided sword no matter which way you look at it.

Im all for rule changes to help advance the sport but not at the expense of alienating one class to feel like its a go big or go home class.

Decrease the body rules a bit AND increase the bodiless AND give us a clearer definition of the difference. All 3 and everyone gets a little of what they want. :mrgreen:

 

[JeremyH]

Super class is on the rise as far as I can tell from comp participation and the current builds going on.

I feel the same.....not sure why I keep seeing talk of super class participation dropping. This is a class that has NEVER had any support from major vendors and very little from smaller vendors....and it's bigger now than it was a few years ago...

 

[Dr.Frank]

Another thing, okay it's a bit OT. What's about a weight limit, lets say minimum weight for 2.2pro is 3.8 lbs, 2.2s is 4.2 lbs. and so on...

...OT off, sorry.

Greetings Frank

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

I feel the same.....not sure why I keep seeing talk of super class participation dropping. This is a class that has NEVER had any support from major vendors and very little from smaller vendors....and it's bigger now than it was a few years ago...

Maybe those that don't like where the 2.2 pro class is, they should go to the super class. That way those that want more can go super and those that like the 2.2pro class the way it is can stay. WIN WIN.