Petition for unified body/bodiless measurements

[Robbob]

Actually, I only personally know two people who have packed it in. I would say their reason was discouragement. Not only do some people seem to have unmatchable talent, but these same people get all their parts for free and push the technical aspects of the sport beyond where those guys thought they could ever get to. The last straw was the 3-lb featherweight thing. They felt the sport was being pushed out of their reach. I don't believe any of them gave a rat's ass what the bodies looked like.

Were they right about being permanently left behind? Maybe, maybe not. But the important thing is they thought so.

I would file that reason under Eddie's 'Time and Effort' .......

Do those two people realise what 'those people' with that 'unmatchable talent' have put into the sport to get to the level they are at?

Heres an example maybe they should look at ........ who won this years Nats? And where the hell did he come from? Any big deals with him? Any parts for free for him? Every technical aspect you may need from this sport is on this site, Ive read more helpful setup info here then any post at RCTech.

How is the featherweight route pushing things our of reach? You dont need the VP bling so you save money there. The kit is less then 150$ now. With some 'Time and Effort' put into reading the forums you can easily find out how to run stock gears and survive.



OT - I remember Losi and the Stadium truck days. They were fun, cool and nuts to drive. IMO they got no support from the industry (not that wider arms on a XXX4 was the answer either) and it wasnt marketed to the right crowd. Cookie cutters from the start but atleast Pops and Gil gave something a shot - they tried to make some change but had little to none support.

Hmmmm no industry support ..... lack of manufacturers interest ....... change people didnt want .......... kind of sounds like ...........

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Actually, I only personally know two people who have packed it in. I would say their reason was discouragement. Not only do some people seem to have unmatchable talent, but these same people get all their parts for free and push the technical aspects of the sport beyond where those guys thought they could ever get to. The last straw was the 3-lb featherweight thing. They felt the sport was being pushed out of their reach. I don't believe any of them gave a rat's ass what the bodies looked like.

Were they right about being permanently left behind? Maybe, maybe not. But the important thing is they thought so.

If my decision on whether or not to compete came down to "will someone there have a better rig or can they drive better than me?", I would never leave the house. I was a mediocre driver with an average rig, and I didn't give a flying fawk-all who I was running against.

I'm really sick of everyone wanting to dumb down the rules so that everyone is on a perfectly level playing field in all respects. It really is bullshit and some people need to get their panties pulled back out of their crack.

There will always be people who get discouraged. This hobby is not for everyone, and it should not be shaped in such a way that it is.

 

[ROWDY RACING]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

I'm with you here. I contacted a few magazines about scale nats and comp nats for 2012. Nobody even knew they were going on until I let them know. If event organizers don't care enough to contact media outlets outside of RCC, why should outside vendors care about our niche?

Exactly. Even RCC said nothing about Nationals on the front page / home page! :shock: From June until October nothing new on the RCC home page! The USRCCA is failing the hobby and sport.

These issues are WAY bigger than rules debates in my honest opinion. If these problems are not solved there will be nothing to have rules for.

 

[Speedracer19]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

Your right it is a issue. The USRCCA is a one man band, the only revenue coming in is from the qualifiers sanction charge (As far as i know of) which is $250.00 per event & most of the time the leader is going to the events. So there is no P.R. dept. unless the club putting on the event choses to publicize it.
Plus there is no membership fee & most of the clubs have no membership fee to speak of, so everything that goes on is done by volunteering... I hate to keep referencing R.O.A.R. but it has been around quite a while & some events demand that you be a R.O.A.R. member. Now these guys have a budget for a P.R. dept & so on
So would you like to see more of a club/business type affair where you pay a yearly fee to perhaps get some more benefits?
There is really no good answer unless more people want to volunteer or chair these positions.

 

[Hardline]

Yeah, some people enjoy driving just for the fun of it. Others see it more competitively and don't enjoy it if they think they have no shot. (They may be wrong, but that's how they feel.) Now you can be like Duuuuude and just say, well screw them.

I'm near two centers of crawling...one is doing well. The other -- well, this may be their last year for lack of turn out. I have no idea of how the sport is doing across the country. If it's expanding, or at least holding it's own, then we don't need to change anything and probably Duuuuuude's view is fine.

 

[opek]

I think the only rule that needs to change is the minimum width requirement for bodies; 5" is a lot more than the 3 inches required for bodiless. Everything else is perfect the way it is.

QFT! You are really limited in how you cut the body right now so as to keep the 5" minimum. Without that my exciter would outperform most bodiless in terms of lightweight, rollover, and tight squeezes.

4" would be perfect. "thumbsup"

 

[Robbob]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

Your right it is a issue. The USRCCA is a one man band, the only revenue coming in is from the qualifiers sanction charge (As far as i know of) which is $250.00 per event & most of the time the leader is going to the events. So there is no P.R. dept. unless the club putting on the event choses to publicize it.
Plus there is no membership fee & most of the clubs have no membership fee to speak of, so everything that goes on is done by volunteering... I hate to keep referencing R.O.A.R. but it has been around quite a while & some events demand that you be a R.O.A.R. member. Now these guys have a budget for a P.R. dept & so on
So would you like to see more of a club/business type affair where you pay a yearly fee to perhaps get some more benefits?
There is really no good answer unless more people want to volunteer or chair these positions.

Hmmmm dues like Roar? Not a bad idea.

They gonna run the Nats like ROAR does all theres too? Just show up sign up and pay up you can run ......... ?

At what point does that not feel like the best of the best are there. Just saying theres ups and downs going a route like ROAR too.

 

[ROWDY RACING]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

Your right it is a issue. The USRCCA is a one man band, the only revenue coming in is from the qualifiers sanction charge (As far as i know of) which is $250.00 per event & most of the time the leader is going to the events. So there is no P.R. dept. unless the club putting on the event choses to publicize it.
Plus there is no membership fee & most of the clubs have no membership fee to speak of, so everything that goes on is done by volunteering... I hate to keep referencing R.O.A.R. but it has been around quite a while & some events demand that you be a R.O.A.R. member. Now these guys have a budget for a P.R. dept & so on
So would you like to see more of a club/business type affair where you pay a yearly fee to perhaps get some more benefits?
There is really no good answer unless more people want to volunteer or chair these positions.

Does posting on the home page and making some phone calls require a PR dept. if so I am in favor, I believe this would grow the sport way more than rules changes. I never claimed to have the answer, but perhaps that would be a more worth while debate than rules changes at this time.

 

[TURTLE]

F1....very real like....and also one of the smallest classes in the world. I've been to nearly every major onroad race and they never run it.

Dang man I bet plane tickets all over the U.S., Japan, Europe etc. get really expensive.

I find it hard to believe that one of the most popular forms of real racing doesn't have a large following...

Drift Cars.....again, smaller than crawling. Is there even a national championship for these guys? Are they still using those really real looking wheels made out of PVC?

Since when does a national event constitute a class being popular? Every company that I am aware of makes at least one drift car, same goes for rally cars.

Rally car? Do you mean short course? Losi tried to rally cars based off their 4wd years back....never took off. Sure looked cool though. I think traxxas made a rally version of the short course, didn't see to take off in my area....is it big in yours?

Nope I mean rally, ya know that class that has been going since the 1930's all over the world. Kyosho, Thunder Tiger, Traxxas, HPI, Tamiya, Losi, Associated, Atomik, Rally Legends, Exceed, etc. all make or have made rally cars in the last few years. And besides a couple of these companies most of them make several models of the cars, same with drifters.

Its not a massive class, but does have a growing following. It has always had a really good following over in Europe, but real Rally is still trying to gain momentum in the U.S.

Again National events and guys at your local track don't constitute a class being popular. Most of RC is comprised of bashers and guys that go out by themselves to have fun. I am willing to bet most of those "bashers" don't own stadium trucks. RC is about personal appeal and to many the scale aspect is becoming ever popular.

Race classes die over the years, its a fact, its doesn't happen because of looks, it happens because of politics and things being blown out of proportion. But most guys race because of a competitive drive, many will say they go to hang out with their friends, but at the very least the first event they came too they came to compete.

 

[Sheepdawg23wm]

I for one am all about advancing technology and pushing the limits on all things. I believe where this rule is catching alot shit and really hasnt been touched on is cost. Sure it sounds like all we'll be doing is shorting up a body but I know thats not the case. Whats the rules on the bodied chassis? If I remeber correctly, it only describes in the rules minimums only for the body itself and not the chassis under the body. If thats true and correct, what then I might ask will happen to the chassis. It will obviously get much smaller than a bodiless chassis and thus force people to upgrade to it or be left in the dust. That upgrade is where people dont want to spend any additional money. I personally dont care, but there are alot of ppl thats going to be pretty ticked off that the new $200 dollar chassis they just bought is now totally obsolete. Regardless if they can still use it, it still wouldnt be as good as a tiny feather weight chassis tucked under a mini crawler body, but then again, my ipad I bought 6 months ago is also obsolete.

 

[Speedracer19]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

Does posting on the home page and making some phone calls require a PR dept. if so I am in favor, I believe this would grow the sport way more than rules changes. I never claimed to have the answer, but perhaps that would be a more worth while debate than rules changes at this time.

No it does not, but this website is not controlled by the USRCCA, the USRCCA has to pay to use advertising of the events (this is what i was told) just like the companys that are displayed via the Goggle rolling advertising deal.

Yes the front page should be updated as often as possible but it takes someone to gather the info & post it. Again it takes someone to do this.

 

[ROWDY RACING]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

No it does not, but this website is not controlled by the USRCCA, the USRCCA has to pay to use advertising of the events (this is what i was told) just like the companys that are displayed via the Goggle rolling advertising deal.

Yes the front page should be updated as often as possible but it takes someone to gather the info & post it. Again it takes someone to do this.

The USRCCA is'nt controlled by the owners of this board? The very owners that would suffer is this niche hobby vanished?

Would'nt the home page also be controlled by the owners of the board, yes it does take time, but does'nt star money pay for the time and resources for them to run the board?

 

[Speedracer19]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

They gonna run the Nats like ROAR does all theres too? Just show up sign up and pay up you can run ......... ?
At what point does that not feel like the best of the best are there.

Don't know, at one time to go to the R.O.A.R. Nats you had to qualify thru the region you lived in, if you qualified you got a invitation & if not you went on a wait list... just like the USRCCA did this year.

Just saying theres ups and downs going a route like ROAR too.

Very much so, after you invest in something you feel you have a bigger say in it & tell what you want & have the admin do it.

 

[krawlfreak]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

Hmmmm dues like Roar? Not a bad idea.

They gonna run the Nats like ROAR does all theres too? Just show up sign up and pay up you can run ......... ?

At what point does that not feel like the best of the best are there. Just saying theres ups and downs going a route like ROAR too.

the same point where all the LCQ entrants are let in to compete against all the guys that earned their invites.....just sayin:evil:

 

[C*H*U*D]

A chassis is a chassis ...... the Cab is what makes it bodiless 8)

By the original intent of the rules, this is not true. The original intent was overlooked, missed by the Rules Committee and it's now too late to put that Genie back in the bottle.

Originally a cab did not make a truck bodiless, and a body did not make a truck bodied.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

Yeah, some people enjoy driving just for the fun of it. Others see it more competitively and don't enjoy it if they think they have no shot. (They may be wrong, but that's how they feel.) Now you can be like Duuuuude and just say, well screw them.

I'm near two centers of crawling...one is doing well. The other -- well, this may be their last year for lack of turn out. I have no idea of how the sport is doing across the country. If it's expanding, or at least holding it's own, then we don't need to change anything and probably Duuuuuude's view is fine.

At the end of the day, we are grown men playing with toy trucks. Very few of us achieve any real recognizable success that could be appreciated outside of our little world. Those that do make those achievements do so because they worked hard and did what they needed to do to make that happen. That is what truly competitive and driven people do.

I understand what it means to be a competitive person, and no one that has become truly good at anything did so because they gave up the first time they tried because they think "they have no shot". Being competitive and successful doesn't mean bringing those that are better than you down to your level, it means rising up to and above the others. Being competitive in anything is a personal goal and choice, not a god given right.

If a person feels that they can't keep up, that is their own problem, and is something they need to work out themselves. They need to decide whether or not they want to devote the time, effort, and money, and how much being competitive means to them. Some will step up, some will not. Some will just do the best they can and not care.

 

[ROWDY RACING]

Originally a cab did not make a truck bodiless, and a body did not make a truck bodied.

What did?

 

[Speedracer19]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

Would'nt the home page also be controlled by the owners of the board, yes it does take time, but does'nt star money pay for the time and resources for them to run the board?

I would think so, but looking at the authors of the articles there are a couple of different contributors that have done articles.

As far as Star money it does go for the running of the website. I read a while back, maybe a year or so ago, that a new Server was purchased, i don't think that could have been cheap... plus the purchase of the program to run this forum, software needed, electricity, so on & so on & it give the user of the purchased star more options for storing photos, more P.M. space & so on.

 

[ROWDY RACING]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

I would think so, but looking at the authors of the articles there are a couple of different contributors that have done articles.

As far as Star money it does go for the running of the website. I read a while back, maybe a year or so ago, that a new Server was purchased, i don't think that could have been cheap... plus the purchase of the program to run this forum, software needed, electricity, so on & so on & it give the user of the purchased star more options for storing photos, more P.M. space & so on.

I understand all of that, that's why I said " time AND resources".


I could be way off base here, I don't know, but promotion in one way or another is what will grow this sport.

 

[Speedracer19]

Re: Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

the same point where all the LCQ entrants are let in to compete against all the guys that earned their invites.....just sayin:evil:

Same thing happened with R.O.A.R, The wait list was used to fill the field to what the club could run for that event. The only differance was you had to go thur the region race to be eligible. They, R.O.A.R., as far as I know does not do this any longer, They let the top 10 from the year before in then it's the title sponsor drivers then it's the first to signup to get in, but most hosting tracks hold back X number of slots for people that they want in. But remember this is 300 to 400 slots.