Legal Body Panels Help Guide and Disscussion

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

I have a question about the hood panel, and the Rules Committee's interpretation of "exposed".

▪ 2.1.5.1.4 - All panels (roof, hood, and sides) must have at least 2x measurements greater than 1", and a minimum of 3.5 square inches of exposed solid surface area.

How far past the A-pillar, and into the cab is the panel allowed to extend, before it is no longer considered exposed? For example, is it possible to have 1/4" of hood extending out from the cab, and have the hood panel sit inside the cab to make up the required 3.5 square inches?

Is the HOOD of a real truck in the cab. Think about it.

 

[C*H*U*D]

Is the HOOD of a real truck in the cab. Think about it.

That's always how I've interpreted it too. There has been some discussion in DickyT's new Berg thread about how the rule is interpreted, and I wanted to clear it up.

I'm not trying to call out any particular builds, but by your statement above, what is the interpretation of this hood panel?

 

[JeremyH]

I would think that anything that sticks out further than the edge of the rood would be acceptable. On my 1:1 Jeep, which has a basically vertical windshield, the hood/cowel starts directly below the base of the "roof"...

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

That's always how I've interpreted it too. There has been some discussion in DickyT's new Berg thread about how the rule is interpreted, and I wanted to clear it up.

I'm not trying to call out any particular builds, but by your statement above, what is the interpretation of this hood panel?

Where the roof ends ,at that pilar is where the hood starts. Rig looks good in my book."thumbsup"
Some of us who drive in the woods will have those 2 rails out in front to take the branches over the top.;-)

 

[C*H*U*D]

Where the roof ends ,at that pilar is where the hood starts.

Sounds good to me....Thanks Ricky "thumbsup"

 

[jeremyfowler33]

I have done some research but wanted to run it by yall, is this losi mrc body legal for my 2.2s rig?

its 11.5" long x 5 " wide and a little over 3 inches tall

 

[TSK]

I have done some research but wanted to run it by yall, is this losi mrc body legal for my 2.2s rig?

its 11.5" long x 5 " wide and a little over 3 inches tall

I believe bodied class rigs need to be 12.5" minimum length.

 

[JeremyH]

I believe bodied class rigs need to be 12.5" minimum length.

Yep.
▪ 2.3.6 - Bodied vehicles must be 3” minimum height on sides. No less than 12.5” total length and full original width, and no less than 5” in center.


However, what you can do is to cut the front and rear drop downs and flare them out.....I bet that would give you an extra inch.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Yep.
▪ 2.3.6 - Bodied vehicles must be 3” minimum height on sides. No less than 12.5” total length and full original width, and no less than 5” in center.


However, what you can do is to cut the front and rear drop downs and flare them out.....I bet that would give you an extra inch.

Just add a 1 inch spoiler on the back.

 

[binaryterror]

Also needs to be wider in the center, that body isn't no where near 5" wide in the center.

 

[jeremyfowler33]

its only a 1/4 inch too narrow in the center after you put it on the slingshot. But yes it is definantley too short

 

[jeremyfowler33]

Why is it that bodiless chassis can be shorter than the bodied chassis? Makes no sense why one is legal and the other is not. Seems like one measurement no matter of anything else would be legal!

 

[JeremyH]

Why is it that bodiless chassis can be shorter than the bodied chassis? Makes no sense why one is legal and the other is not. Seems like one measurement no matter of anything else would be legal!

There are no measurement requirements for a chassis that runs a body.

 

[TSK]

There are no measurement requirements for a chassis that runs a body.

I think he means bodiless chassis dimensions & Bodied hassle body should be the same.

 

[JeremyH]

Oh....yeah, maybe that's what he meant.

Either way, the rules are what they are....just follow them and focus on practicing and you'll get farther than looking for loopholes. "thumbsup"


Edit--not that JF33 was looking for a loophole here...

 

[jeremyfowler33]

Edit--not that JF33 was looking for a loophole here...


Negative, just a broke man trying to make something i had work

 

[Fishmaxx]

Why is it that bodiless chassis can be shorter than the bodied chassis? Makes no sense why one is legal and the other is not. Seems like one measurement no matter of anything else would be legal!

Rule was written based on what was being ran at the time.

We took measurements from Metal tube frames and TVP Chassis with bodies and created the specs around them because we didn't want to make anything being ran illegal. Since then Drivers have worked within those specs to change what drivers now use. We decide not to chase drivers latest creations by constantly changing specs. Even without changing the specs Crawlers look radically different than they did when we drew up the original specs. IMO opinion its been amazing to see the evolution without the specs really changing

 

[EvilTwin v2]

Why is it that bodiless chassis can be shorter than the bodied chassis? Makes no sense why one is legal and the other is not. Seems like one measurement no matter of anything else would be legal!

Along with what Fish posted, there are certain advantages to a body. There is no restrictions to the size of the chassis and how low or how securely the body is located. I've seen times when a bodied rig could get through a tight course by having the body flex out of the way and bodiless rigs wedged in and had to find other ways through.

Each has its pros and cons and the balance seems to be spot on between the two with the sizes we have.

 

[krawlfreak]

As much as I don't like it...

If it has the required dimensions of the bodiless rig I can't see why it would not be legal.

There is no mention in the rules of what type of material has to be used to present a cab and it has additional body panels as well....

I am sure the intent would be argued but,

It is clever, none the less.

 

[Speedracer19]

▪ 2.1.5 - Bodiless vehicles: Must be a self-supporting, structurally complete, rigid frame. The roof must be raised a minimum of 1” from the main chassis to resemble a cockpit. The frame sides must be an overall minimum of 1” tall (The cockpit & frame side are to be measured vertically from where the hood intersects the cab). Bodiless vehicles should resemble a 1:1 vehicle.


▪ 2.1.5.1 - Bodiless vehicles must have solid hood panel, solid roof panel and a minimum of 2 solid side-panels.


▪ 2.1.5.1.1 - Hood, roof and side panels must be separate pieces of solid material installed onto the bodiless vehicle frame.


▪ 2.1.5.1.2 - All body panels are to be separate pieces from the complete structural frame.


▪ 2.1.5.1.3 - Body panels must be solidly installed in a manner that is representative of a 1:1 vehicle.

A number of these would cover why that is not a Bodiless chassis...