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Ford's future plans in North America

durok

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From Autoblog:

"Confirming what has long been suspected, Ford today announced in its quarterly financial report that it will not invest in a next generation of sedans for North America.

"Over the next few years, the Ford car portfolio in North America will transition to two vehicles — the best-selling Mustang and the all-new Focus Active crossover coming out next year," the statement reads. "The company is also exploring new 'white space' vehicle silhouettes that combine the best attributes of cars and utilities, such as higher ride height, space and versatility."

By 2020, Ford says 90 percent of its portfolio in North America will be trucks, SUVs and commercial vehicles. This move is due to consumer demand and product profitability."

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I'm not a typical Ford sales target, I consider Honda, Mazda, Subaru, Kia, and Hyundai as my likely next vehicle manufacturers, in that order - based on their current lineups. However, I do have a soft spot for the Focus and Fiesta ST models... if they could bring their quality/reliability levels up a bit. I'm a fan of 4-door hatchback body-styles, but I like them small and nimble.

The annoying part of this is that when I think of what I would get to replace my 2010 Honda Fit Sport (which is fine, I'm just letting my mind wander) what I usually end up with in my head is one of the small crossovers with some mild mods. Like a Mazda CX-3, which has the same basic motor as the Miata - do some of the milder Miata motor mods that are out there and then mildly modify the suspension as one would on an amateur rally race car.

The problem with the small economy cars that I like is that they tend to have a long front overhang and lots of very low-hanging aerodynamic aids under the bumper. Even in a city like Austin with its mild winters the roads just aren't that great, and they still have horrible parking lot entrances and exits that cause everything up front to drag on the pavement.

My Honda Fit has beveled away the edges of these pseudo-spoilers yet still drags on certain spots around town. I'm somewhat of an aggressive driver when there's no traffic around, partly because the Fit is kinda fun to toss around corners though it's not fast enough to get in any real trouble. But because of how low the front is, I often have to back off because of bumps in the road, poorly engineered railroad crossings, etc.

So - someday, I suppose I may join the masses in buying a crossover type vehicle, but I'll be damned if I leave it as boring as it comes from the factory!


Any comments on the state of our automotive industry?

Favorite types of daily-driver vehicles?

"Ideal" daily driver characteristics?
 
My wife loves her CX-5 and she loved her Santa Fe before it. However, I am beginning to detest AWD vehicles for the simple fact that they chew through tires at a pretty good clip. Also, I'm not down with replacing 2 or 4 tires at one shot so the computer doesn't get confused.

I miss my Grand Cherokee that had part time 4WD with a true 2WD mode.
 
The word is Chevy is talking about dropping most of their cars as well.

It doesn't make sense to me since Ford and Chevy have fleet cars - rentals, police, etc. I wonder if Ford will keep the Fusion around and only sell them in fleets? But the Fusion is their 4th best selling vehicle. To axe it doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not their bean counter. I like Mustang, but in what area is it "best selling"? It beats the Camaro in sales, last I checked, but that's really its only competition.

I personally don't like cars that make it feel like you're sitting on the ground and most sedans aren't worth keeping so I'm fine with this.

I do think the oil industry will take advantage of this and raise the price on gas and then people will be paying new prices for used sedans just to get better gas mileage.
 
When you say, rally race car suspension mods, do you mean you plan to lift the vehicle, or lower it? If it's the former, it's probably fine. If it's the latter, then IMO you're better off starting out with something better suited to the task to begin with, and will also probably cost less in the long run to get what you want out of it.

As far as AWD tire wear is concerned, it really isn't that much worse than any other vehicle over the life of the tire, maybe 5% more wear. if it's even that. You have to stick to a strict rotation schedule also, mine is every oil change which is 6k in the manual, 5k for me based on where I live and how the car is driven. Something to also keep in mind, the stock rim protectors that came on my Subie were a Yoko something blah blah POS all season that only lasted 20k. I too was shocked at how quick they were worn out, but apparently it's pretty common now for manufactures to spec a shit tire that will need replacing right around the time your car comes in for the 12 month service/checkup. That way they can upsell you on tires at an over inflated stealership price. Mine had a treadwear rating of 320, and no tread life warranty. Just for reference, I replaced them with Continental Extremecontact DWS 06 and it completely transformed the car. It handles better everywhere, tons more grip on the pavement, treadwear of 560, and a 50k tread wear warranty. So if you're seeing really rapid wear, I'd bet it's due to a shit specced stock tire, and not the AWD system. What are the tread wear ratings on the tires that are on there skinnyj?
 
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When you say, rally race car suspension mods, do you mean you plan to lift the vehicle, or lower it? If it's the former, it's probably fine. If it's the latter, then IMO you're better off starting out with something better suited to the task to begin with, and will also probably cost less in the long run to get what you want out of it.

As far as AWD tire wear is concerned, it really isn't that much worse than any other vehicle over the life of the tire, maybe 5% more wear. if it's even that. You have to stick to a strict rotation schedule also, mine is every oil change which is 6k in the manual, 5k for me based on where I live and how the car is driven. Something to also keep in mind, the stock rim protectors that came on my Subie were a Yoko something blah blah POS all season that only lasted 20k. I too was shocked at how quick they were worn out, but apparently it's pretty common now for manufactures to spec a shit tire that will need replacing right around the time your car comes in for the 12 month service/checkup. That way they can upsell you on tires at an over inflated stealership price. Mine had a treadwear rating of 320, and no tread life warranty. Just for reference, I replaced them with Continental Extremecontact DWS 06 and it completely transformed the car. It handles better everywhere, tons more grip on the pavement, treadwear of 560, and a 50k tread wear warranty. So if you're seeing really rapid wear, I'd bet it's due to a shit specced stock tire, and not the AWD system. What are the tread wear ratings on the tires that are on there skinnyj?

That makes me feel a little better. The same thing happened on the Mazda. At around 22K, the tires were all shit. I guess that is one of the places the manufacturers like to cut corners. I can't remember what we replaced them with, but I know it was rated for 40K-ish miles.

However, I still hate the 2-4 at a time replacement.
 
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I won't consider anything that isn't rear wheel drive.

Which means that the Mustang is the only Ford car left that I would consider, and I'd like to have more interior room.

For the foreseeable future, I'll stick with my Magnum R/T.
 
That makes me feel a little better. The same thing happened on the Mazda. At around 22K, the tires were all shit. I guess that is one of the places the manufacturers like to cut corners. I can't remember what we replaced them with, but I know it was rated for 40K-ish miles.

However, I still hate the 2-4 at a time replacement.

If you're rotating your tires properly, the replacement is no different than any other vehicle though. You should be buying a set of tires, all at one time for any vehicle. If not, you're either not rotating them enough, have alignment issues, or do a lot of burnouts. :mrgreen: This really confuses me. The only time it's an issue is if you cut a tire or have a blowout honestly.
 
If you're rotating your tires properly, the replacement is no different than any other vehicle though. You should be buying a set of tires, all at one time for any vehicle. If not, you're either not rotating them enough, have alignment issues, or do a lot of burnouts. :mrgreen: This really confuses me. The only time it's an issue is if you cut a tire or have a blowout honestly.

When we had the Santa Fe, the wife got a sidewall puncture. That was when I found out about tire matching for AWD. The first place we went to tried to tell us all four tires had to be replaced. When we went to another place, the clerk said that there is some leeway between front and back wear. He went out and actually looked at the tires and determined that the rears were acceptable and replaced the front two.
 
Yeah, so that makes sense. But honestly, it's something you should do on any vehicle really. You don't want one tire that's 3/4 of the way worn out, and a brand new one on the other side. It does weird shit to the handling and braking, especially in inclement weather or evasive maneuvering.
 
I don't care what they do with their lineup. Just make the dam things cheaper, car prices are friggen insane.

I recently got a new car. I went from a '08 Grand Prix to a '18 Equinox. I went with the Equinox because it got me the most interior room for the buck, and still got decent gas mileage.

Trucks are just stupidly expensive any more, even used.
 
The word is Chevy is talking about dropping most of their cars as well.

It doesn't make sense to me since Ford and Chevy have fleet cars - rentals, police, etc. I wonder if Ford will keep the Fusion around and only sell them in fleets? But the Fusion is their 4th best selling vehicle. To axe it doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not their bean counter. I like Mustang, but in what area is it "best selling"? It beats the Camaro in sales, last I checked, but that's really its only competition.

I personally don't like cars that make it feel like you're sitting on the ground and most sedans aren't worth keeping so I'm fine with this.

I do think the oil industry will take advantage of this and raise the price on gas and then people will be paying new prices for used sedans just to get better gas mileage.



I could see this happening from both Ford and GM. Stick to the truck, commercial, large SUV, and sports car segments then leave the foreigner to handle the sedans and family cars. This should allow them to increase efficiencies as well or close/sell a few plants to reduce cost.

I guess being in the south, we love our trucks, large SUVs, sports cars as that is generally the majority of Ford, Dodge, GM products I see on the roads here. Cars are typically Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissan along with more expensive MB and BMWs. Very few Fusions or Malibu's around here.


As for oil prices, I think the market is trending upward now anyway. Oil prices are high 60's low 70's now and steady rising and I'm perfectly ok with that. Gas prices are currently around the $2.50/gal here, and I'd happily pay $3-3.50 all day. The oil price collapse really crushed our economy down here and it's finally getting back on its feet.
 
I don't care what they do with their lineup. Just make the dam things cheaper, car prices are friggen insane.

I recently got a new car. I went from a '08 Grand Prix to a '18 Equinox. I went with the Equinox because it got me the most interior room for the buck, and still got decent gas mileage.

Trucks are just stupidly expensive any more, even used.

Vehicle prices are going to continue to go up just like everything else in our lives.

Cars are as expensive as ever, but you get more value for your money IMO. You can get fully loaded, compact cars with all kinds of goodies and gadgets for under $25,000.

SUV and truck prices are bat shit crazy and I'm shocked they are selling so well.
 
It makes sense - Ford Fusion sales are declining every year while the Escape is constantly increasing. The subcompact and compact markets haven't been good for the American companies since the Japanese ones entered. So instead of spending billions of dollars designing a new Fusion or federalizing the Fiesta or Focus for the US market, they'd rather take that money and invest it into vehicles people buy - crossovers. All they're doing is taking the hatchback variant of the sedans, lifting it 2-inches and calling it a CUV. That's why the Focus Active will arrive in the US to join the EcoSport (lifted AWD Fiesta), Escape, Edge and Explorer.

As for police / fleet use, iirc the Explorer police interceptor outsells the Taurus variant that its very similar to. For rental, Nissan has gladly stepped in with its terribly dull CVT Versa, Sentra and Altima.
 
Even in a city like Austin with its mild winters the roads just aren't that great...
:shock: If you think Austin roads are bad, don't ever try driving in New England. One thing that blew me away when I was in Austin a couple weeks ago was how incredibly good all the roads are.
 
Stop by PA sometime. Highest gas tax in the nation, worst road system in the nation. It's not uncommon to hit a badly potholed, poorly patched, or just left to fall apart road where the bumps are so bad, it splashes the coffee out of the cup. At 25mph.

You almost need an SUV/Crossover just for the suspension travel to get around without wheel damage.
 
Stop by PA sometime. Highest gas tax in the nation, worst road system in the nation. It's not uncommon to hit a badly potholed, poorly patched, or just left to fall apart road where the bumps are so bad, it splashes the coffee out of the cup. At 25mph.

You almost need an SUV/Crossover just for the suspension travel to get around without wheel damage.


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I don't care what they do with their lineup. Just make the dam things cheaper, car prices are friggen insane.

I recently got a new car. I went from a '08 Grand Prix to a '18 Equinox. I went with the Equinox because it got me the most interior room for the buck, and still got decent gas mileage.

Trucks are just stupidly expensive any more, even used.


OSRC's not lying.

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Any comments on the state of our automotive industry?

Favorite types of daily-driver vehicles?

"Ideal" daily driver characteristics?

question 1: no answer on that.
question 2: the fast ones
question 3: must have seatbelt, 5 or 6 spd manual, and heat for the winter.


im a ford guy, but I don't support that choice weather its real or not.
 
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