Highmark
I wanna be Dave
No you didn't suggest that we censor the media, just stop it. :ror:
And I never said that, I doubt I'd ever accuse you of influencing anything - much less the liberal media.
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Congresswoman attempted assassination
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No you didn't suggest that we censor the media, just stop it. :ror:
And I never said that, I doubt I'd ever accuse you of influencing anything - much less the liberal media.
TattooKenny
Who's your Daddy-0!
I would vote for Dez for President!
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
Yeah, I could see were you would see my wanting to stop the Liberal media from the out-right fabrication of stories, stopping them from committing character assassination, and stopping them from trying to manipulate the American people by blindly supporting the Obama agenda as censorship.:roll:
So predictable.
ram_tough
Rock Crawler
I would vote for Dez for President!
Me too!!
We're considered the NYC broadcast area here and last night on the coverage a Democratic NY Congresswoman (forget who) used her 30 seconds of TV time to pretty much ignore the AZ Shooting (typical politician) and use the time to talk about controlling and removing illegal firearms from the streets. The handgun used was purchased legally, fawkin tard :roll:
Mr.Slave
Quarry Creeper
balln
Rock Crawler
I was working north of there after it happened and i felt like i was in a movie with all the FBI vehicles and Military. Crazy shit :shock:
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
Yeah, I watched Fox blame the shooting of the Congresswomen on Barack Obama, Keith Olbermann, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, Time, Newsweek, and all of the Liberal newspapers.
Wait, no I didn't.:ror:
But I did see the Liberal media try and blame this tragedy on Fox News, on Beck, on Limbaugh, on Palin, etc... Just like all of the examples I posted earlier. The Liberal Media is so fixated on trying to paint the Right as violent extremist, that and time after time when there is an incident, they jump to unfounded conclusions and just start making accusations.
Then when the facts of the matter come out, you never hear a retraction or correction.
For all the ballyhoo of "FAUX" news, the title is so much more fitting for the Liberal media.:lmao:
Mr.Slave
Quarry Creeper
actually it isn't. but whatever helps you sleep at night.
caymin last
Rock Crawler
This is very disturbing to me, funerals and eulogies, for the six innocent victims who were murdered by a mentaly ill madman, have not yet been performed, the injured victims are still being treated, some still fighting for their lives, and the facts are still being investigated as to how and why this tragedy took place, but people just can't help themselves in laying blame and pointing political fingers at groups and people they don't agree with.
I understand that the primary victim is a political figure, and it was a political event, but as far as we know, there is no solid evidence that the gunman has any affiliation or membership with a political party or the exact reason for his actions.
What's worse, is the silly political rhetoric from non US citizens, some of whom don't even live in this country, and have little to no idea of the heartbreak, sadness and effect that this insanity brings to our beloved country and it's people.
Just my two cents.
I understand that the primary victim is a political figure, and it was a political event, but as far as we know, there is no solid evidence that the gunman has any affiliation or membership with a political party or the exact reason for his actions.
What's worse, is the silly political rhetoric from non US citizens, some of whom don't even live in this country, and have little to no idea of the heartbreak, sadness and effect that this insanity brings to our beloved country and it's people.
Just my two cents.
Saddened to here, appearantly the 9 yo girl was born on 9/11 too. All the attention has been turned to this congress women, sure she was/is an accomplished women, while the 9 yo never will have the chance to do any of that. Her family and friends will never get to see her try and live her dreams. It really blows my mind how someone so lost with reality thinks by doing these stupid selfish acts, they will change something. If anything, the only change they bring is unwanted change.
I have already read so many stupid ideas on "change" to prevent these from happening, yet have i heard the one thing i thought of first. I seen multiple comments from old students/teachers/neighbors saying he's a psycho, and "called it" that he was a serial killer x amount of time ago. He left myspace messages saying hes ready to kill a police officer over a month ago? All of these signs, all of these "worried" people, and not one person did a damn thing. Maybe if they quit pointing the finger, and expecting everyone else to take care of the problems that exist, the killer wouldn't have turned out to be what they called him out to be. Instead, they turned their heads, and he did just that, then everyone screams out in disbelief, welcome to America.
I have already read so many stupid ideas on "change" to prevent these from happening, yet have i heard the one thing i thought of first. I seen multiple comments from old students/teachers/neighbors saying he's a psycho, and "called it" that he was a serial killer x amount of time ago. He left myspace messages saying hes ready to kill a police officer over a month ago? All of these signs, all of these "worried" people, and not one person did a damn thing. Maybe if they quit pointing the finger, and expecting everyone else to take care of the problems that exist, the killer wouldn't have turned out to be what they called him out to be. Instead, they turned their heads, and he did just that, then everyone screams out in disbelief, welcome to America.
Death or attempted murder is always tragic. Sometimes it is necessary, sometimes not. I dont want to be the jugde of that. Even if this guy was some super genius revolution starter I dont thing they would tell you that. The media would make him out to be a dumb white nazi so noone would have anything to say about it.
Both sides do it, and it really is getting out of hand. I'm all for freedom of speech, but if you can't handle that freedom responsibly, you shouldn't be allowed to do it, just like every other freedom we have.
There are mentally unstable people out there who take every word they hear from these talking heads as gospel. The don't see it as entertainment, they see it as truth and reason.
I haven't listened to Limbaugh in a long time. I used to, and I enjoyed it, but somewhere along the line he got his panties in a wad and they just seem to keep getting tighter. Any time the GOP doesn't get their way he acts like its the end of the world and we're all going to hell in a hurry. His words are poison in my ears.
I will occasionally listen to Beck, but he's practically insane. This makes for some funny stuff on occasion, but as his exposure has grown, so has his craziness. That is scary, because there are many people who also take everything he says to heart.
I don't watch Fox or MSNBC. Both channels are shit.
This tragic attack may have been politically driven in a way, but the guy was insane, so there really is no chance to put a good left/right spin on it. Crazy people do crazy things for crazy reasons.
rock hard
dnf
Only ones getting out of hand IMO is the democrates,and thier socialist partners(the liberal media)
The democrates and thier liberal buddies are the ones who are spreading hat
Have you ever watched bill maher?? he spreads hate as bad as baracs old preacher.
and you dont,so who is right?we will never all agree,and there is often 2 rights,depending on the sides in debate
now,dig up the dirt,show me up all the examples you can, where the conservatives tried making it out that a bad situation happened as a result of the dems ideology/politcal views.
well the libs tried
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dezfan
I wanna be Dave
You can thank Liberals and their Political Correctness for that! God forbid we put CRAZY people in an institution! If for no other reason than to protect them from themselves, not to mention to protect the public at large.
I agree to an extent, but wouldn't you agree that the Liberal Media seems to be frothing at the mouth to find a "Radical Right Winger" to pin this kind of tragedy on in an attempt to validity their constant rhetoric?
Like I said, we've seen them do it over and and over and over. It's like if they tell the lie enough times, eventually it will come true?
I agree, crazy is crazy and this incident didn't really have anything to do w/ the Right Wing, Fox, Beck, Palin, or anyone else being targeted by the Liberal Media, but I'm sure the Liberal Media will somehow transition this latest smear campaign against Conservatives into another attempt to do away w/ our 2nd Amendment rights.
This whole BS story of blaming the "Cross-hairs" from Palin's Web Page for the shooting is hypocritical idiocy at it's best! It's been used repeatedly (by both sides) in political circles for as long as there has been political discourse.
Hell the Daily Kos (Liberal Web Site) had placed Cross-hairs on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords just days before the shooting because she voted against Nancy Pelosi for the Minority Speaker position.
Did you hear that anywere in the Liberal Media?
Why not?
Like I said, they are all out of hand. Since I don't side with either party or news network that supports them, I get to see both sides. Neither of them present "news", they present bits of information that support their opinions and then talk at length about it. Sometimes they are on the verge of yelling. That is not reporting.
I have watched Bill Maher. Sometimes his show is entertaining, sometimes its not. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. The difference is, he and HBO don't promote it as "news" or "truth". Its a talk show for entertainment.
Same goes for the Daily Show or the Colbert Report. They are both news based comedy shows and are billed as such. I don't know if you caught it, but Stewart and Colbert got together and held the "Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear" in Washington calling for some sanity and a ratcheting back of the extremist frenzy in mainstream media.
Digging up all the trash on right wing media is pointless because A: I don't have the time and B: I could dig up the same amount on the left side.
Didn't Reagan close down mental health facilities in California while he was governor, resulting in large amounts of crazy homeless people tossed out into the surrounding communities? Didn't he also severely cut mental health funding across the nation while he was President? As you say, God forbid we put crazy people in institutions...:roll:
Yes the Liberal media is going crazy right now, but only because it was a Democrat that was apparently the main target. You know for a fact that if it had been a Republican congress member that was in the hospital it would be the exact opposite...the conservative media would be doing the same thing.
rock hard
dnf
caymin last
Rock Crawler
For those who maybe interested, one of the very first people to claim this tragedy was due to political hate speech from the right, was the Sherriff of Pima County Ariz. Clarence Dupnik, during a press conference on TV early Saturday evening, he said that certain conservative radio talk shows and republican politicians (Sarah Palin) views and hate speech, were the fuel that caused this terrible event. To my mind, this was a very unprofessional and irresponsable thing for a senior law enforcement officer to do.
Now it has come to light, that Jared Loughner was no stranger to the Sherriff, in fact there were many complaints and requests from members of the community, for him to take some sort of pre-emtive action against Jared, because of his numerous death threats, and down right scary behaviour, the Sherriff had reassured the victims of these threats that Jared was being well managed by the local mental health care system and not to be concerned, Jared's mother, Amy Loughner, is employed by the Prima County Parks and Recreation Dept.
Six people were murderd and many others severly wounded on his watch, by a person who he knew had been making such threats in the recent past.
Take a wild guess at which political party the Sherriff is associated with.
Now it has come to light, that Jared Loughner was no stranger to the Sherriff, in fact there were many complaints and requests from members of the community, for him to take some sort of pre-emtive action against Jared, because of his numerous death threats, and down right scary behaviour, the Sherriff had reassured the victims of these threats that Jared was being well managed by the local mental health care system and not to be concerned, Jared's mother, Amy Loughner, is employed by the Prima County Parks and Recreation Dept.
Six people were murderd and many others severly wounded on his watch, by a person who he knew had been making such threats in the recent past.
Take a wild guess at which political party the Sherriff is associated with.
caymin last
Rock Crawler
This is very interesting, http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/
Plaintiff: United States of America
Presiding Judge: John M Roll
Plaintiff: United States of America
Presiding Judge: John M Roll
dezfan
I wanna be Dave
So you're going to blame it all on Reagan, really? :roll:
A quick copy and paste on the subject.
The United States has experienced 2 waves of deinstitutionalisation.
The first wave began in the 1950s and targeted people with mental illness.<SUP></SUP>
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The second wave began roughly 15 years later and focused on individuals who had been diagnosed with a developmental disability (e.g. mental retardation).<SUP></SUP>Although these waves began over 50 years ago, deinstitutionalisation continues today; however, these waves are growing smaller as fewer people are sent to institutions.
The social forces that have led to a move for deinstitutionalisation are many. However, researchers generally speak of six main factors including: criticisms of public mental hospitals, incorporation of mind-altering drugs in treatment, support from President Kennedy for federal policy changes in the treatment for those with mental illnesses, shift to community based care, change in public opinion of those with mental disabilities, and state's desire to reduce cost of mental hospitals.
In general, civil rights leaders, and humanitarians saw the shift from institutional confinement to local care as the appropriate approach.<SUP></SUP>
The Deinstitutionalization Movement started off slowly but gained momentum as it adopted the philosophy of the Civil Rights Movement.<SUP></SUP>
During the 1960s, deinstitutionalisation decreased dramatically as the average length of stay decreased by more than half.<SUP></SUP>Instead of placing people with mental illnesses in long term institutions, many began to
be placed in community care facilities where they could get care for their mental health needs.<SUP></SUP> Thus, the deinstitutionalisation that took place in the United States was more of a "transitionalisation", that is a transition from a mental institution to a more community centred facility.
Although public opinion has increased in favor for the mentally ill, mental disability is still stigmatised. As a result, advocacy movements in support of mental health emerged.<SUP></SUP>These movements focus on reducing stigma and discrimination and increasing support groups and awareness. Another notable movement, the consumer or ex-patient movement began as protests in the 1970s.<SUP></SUP> The Liberation of Mental Patients, Project Release, and Insane Liberation Front were all examples of consumer movements and organisations. Many of these advocacy groups were successful in judiciary system.
As hospitalisation costs increased due to advocated by civic groups, both the federal and state governments were motivated to find less expensive alternatives to hospitalisation. <SUP></SUP>Moreover, the 1965 amendments to Social Security shifted about 50 percent of the mental health care costs from the states to the federal government.<SUP></SUP>
This motivated the government to promote deinstitutionalisation. With the government on the side of deinstitutionalisation, getting legislation passed proved less difficult and problematic.
A process of indirect cost shifting may have led to a form of "re-institutionalisation" through the increased use of jail detention for those with mental disorders deemed unmanageable and noncompliant.
Indeed, when laws were enacted requiring communities to take more responsibility for mental health care, funding to facitlitate this could be absent, resulting in jail as the default option,<SUP></SUP>with jails long documented as cheaper than psychiatric care. Jails have become society's primary mental institutions.
rock hard
dnf
Now take this here.
If a media outlet such as cnn reports this,and gives thier spin it deemd as truth.
Let fox reprort it and give thier spin,its bias:roll:
let bill meher talk about it and give his 2cents and its a talk show
let rush do it and its bias lies :ror:
I have seen it for yrs,the libs are just pissed that people like myslef are no longer FORCED to absorb thier B.S. rederic if we want to know whats going on in the world/country.Now there are many sources that have a political opinion/spin that I and many others AGREE with.
