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HobbiCo / Great Planes / Tower Hobbies

JatoTheRipper said:
Do you realize how uncommon 6S was back when the E-Revo was released?
Traxxas just updated the E-Revo to the 2.0 to address the shortcomings with modern day power. Part of that was giving it X-Maxx diffs that should easily handle 6S.

Which monster truck, that isn't based on a truggy, handles better than the Revo? If one exists I'm unaware of it.

The Slash was popular for more than just its durability. And its handling was designed to be scale not to be a race RC. Do you realized that? Body roll was designed into the truck to replicate 1:1 short course trucks.

All RCs have shortcomings and places that need upgrades. Minor complaint.

Grandiose claims, as you call them, are called marketing.

No brand can live up to the hype of the fanbois. Moot point.
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Why would you want to disqualify truggy-based monster trucks? Because they ARE monster tucks that handle better than a Revo?! If anything, I can cite the Losi XXXL2E, which is not truggy based, and does handle better than a Revo.

The Baja Rey actually has trailing arms and still handles better than a Slash in dirt. Your point again?

I'm fine with marketing; you made the assertion that Arrma people are notorious for making grandiose claims about their vehicle of choice, and I simply countered that that is equally prevalebt in the Traxxas crowd.

(Not saying this is you, Jato) The idea that the X01 is innovation for any purpose other than marketing, however, would be entirely false. The only reason it exists is so Traxxas can slap "Fastest Name in Radio Control" on everything. They set the benchmark unrealistically high, so much so that nobody else has bothered to try and touch it.

Agreed that fanbois ruin everything...
 
The purpose of the innovation is largely irrelevant, no? Ultimately, the purpose of all of it is to make more money. Marketing is always a part of that.

I'd argue that the XO1 (and for that matter, the slash) isn't necessarily innovative from a technical perspective because they're both more or less reworked Stampedes. BUT... on the flip side of that, innovation takes many forms, and quite often it's figuring out what to make for dinner with whatever scraps you have left in the house. You need to be creative. Building a high speed on-road car, and a scale accurate-ish short course truck from a reworked Stampede is innovative in it's own way... especially when the marketing department gets involved and starts to sell the sizzle.
 
Wow, so now you're a fanboy if you give credit where credit is due? In my day, that was just called being an adult. I probably hate Sony more than any company on the planet, but I still give them props when I think they're innovating. If you want to hate Traxxas, be my guest, it doesn't affect me any. But to discount the things they've done over the past 20+ years is pretty short sighted IMHO. Then again, what do I know, I'm just a grown ass man that still plays (well, used to anyway) with toy trucks. :mrgreen:
 
micro racer said:
Why would you want to disqualify truggy-based monster trucks? Because they ARE monster tucks that handle better than a Revo?! If anything, I can cite the Losi XXXL2E, which is not truggy based, and does handle better than a Revo.

The Baja Rey actually has trailing arms and still handles better than a Slash in dirt. Your point again?

I'm fine with marketing; you made the assertion that Arrma people are notorious for making grandiose claims about their vehicle of choice, and I simply countered that that is equally prevalebt in the Traxxas crowd.

(Not saying this is you, Jato) The idea that the X01 is innovation for any purpose other than marketing, however, would be entirely false. The only reason it exists is so Traxxas can slap "Fastest Name in Radio Control" on everything. They set the benchmark unrealistically high, so much so that nobody else has bothered to try and touch it.

Agreed that fanbois ruin everything...
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Because truggies aren't monster trucks.

I think the Baja handling better than a Slash is subjective and dependent on the conditions.

A company's marketing verbiage is different than what fanboys claim. And yes, there are plenty of Traxxas fanbois.
 
Jim85IROC said:
The purpose of the innovation is largely irrelevant, no? Ultimately, the purpose of all of it is to make more money. Marketing is always a part of that.

I'd argue that the XO1 (and for that matter, the slash) isn't necessarily innovative from a technical perspective because they're both more or less reworked Stampedes. BUT... on the flip side of that, innovation takes many forms, and quite often it's figuring out what to make for dinner with whatever scraps you have left in the house. You need to be creative. Building a high speed on-road car, and a scale accurate-ish short course truck from a reworked Stampede is innovative in it's own way... especially when the marketing department gets involved and starts to sell the sizzle.
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Platform sharing is one of the biggest innovations of modern automobiles. Traxxas' platform sharing is actually quite genius - one platform that can be adopted to multiple types of vehicles is really smart. Its also a very easy way to cut costs by reducing the amount of part numbers too.

However, don't blame marketing. You'd be surprised how little say marketing at any given company has over products - that's the product manager usually.
 
tuanies said:
Platform sharing is one of the biggest innovations of modern automobiles. Traxxas' platform sharing is actually quite genius - one platform that can be adopted to multiple types of vehicles is really smart. Its also a very easy way to cut costs by reducing the amount of part numbers too.

However, don't blame marketing. You'd be surprised how little say marketing at any given company has over products - that's the product manager usually.
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I'm not blaming marketing at all. They're one cog in the wheel. If anything, I'm crediting them. Platform sharing is of no use if it's used to make products that people don't want, and it's the marketing department's job to make sure that people want it.
 
JatoTheRipper said:
Because truggies aren't monster trucks.

I think the Baja handling better than a Slash is subjective and dependent on the conditions.

A company's marketing verbiage is different than what fanboys claim. And yes, there are plenty of Traxxas fanbois.
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And a fully independent suspension truck is what? Let me just disqualify the Revo and all Maxx trucks because they don't have solid axles and a tube frame. See what I did there?

The Arrma truggy/monster trucks are moster trucks because they are a similar class/design as the Revo, and they compete with it sales wise.

Agreed that the Baja Rey's handling is subjective, but in many, not all, conditions it does outperform both 2wd and 4wd Slash platforms in a racing situation.

True, marketing is not fanboy claims. Traxxas's marketing in particular does sound a lot more fanboy-ish than other companies; it does make sales though...
 
Innovation comes in many forms. The Slash was not/is not innovative mechanically. It was innovative in execution however. Something scale, decent handling, durable, easily accessible both to purchase and with replacement parts, and a cross marketing campaign with 1:1 sponsors and the racing scene.
 
Traxxas has come out with many cool things. They brought the nitro MT segment to whole new heights, which spawned many competitors. No telling where the hobby would be without that or the Slash. They have many other cool things like EZ Start, which are awesome. They definitely CAN innovate when they want to. I was simply saying that it has been many years since they have really brought a large innovation to the market. The majority of their lineup is outdated. Newer trucks (from ARRMA) handle better and are far more durable out of the box, and priced lower. The Revo 2.0 looks interesting.


But back to the original topic....I was at King of the Hammers most of the week. Went last year too. Last year Axial had an 18 wheeler out there and a course. Tons of raffle prizes from bodies to RTRs after the trail run. The top finishers in the 5K each got a kit or RTR as well as prizes from Altra. This year CKRC set up a booth and sold Axial parts and lots of RTRs. A couple guys from Axial were there, along with their RV and they helped run the course and races.

Didnt look like there were any prizes from Axial. If there were any, they were hidden. I had to leave before the rest of the group finished the trail run but I did see the awards ceremony from the 5K.

CKRC had a pretty good setup and they sold a lot of RTRs for pretty good prices.
 
"...$10 million to $50 million in assets, and $100 million to $500 million in liabilities."

Wholly overspending Batman!!! :shock:

I wonder if everyone will be wearing black this year at Axialfest.... :???:
 
ROWDY RACING said:
Tower still sponsoring races cracks me up.
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And that they constantly have sales and offer coupons.

Greatscott said:
"...$10 million to $50 million in assets, and $100 million to $500 million in liabilities."

Wholly overspending Batman!!! :shock:

I wonder if everyone will be wearing black this year at Axialfest.... :???:
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I'm guessing red and yellow hats, like the flag, for when China buys them.
 
Interesting...Tower just restocked quite a bit of stuff. Tamiya's are back. My Super Saver runs out in a few weeks, might snag up a Tamiya or two while I can and use it up.

I'm getting notices to renew my Super saver...lol. Think i'll wait and see.
 
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