hillbillyrc
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I've taken my knowledge of the barrage and its siblings. And from others that have posted in the at the moment 25 page tread on the barrage. And cut the fat and left the meat for you.
Will update with links and more info when I get it.
Hope this helps others and If you see anything not listed and whatnot post and ill add it.
DIFFERENCES
ok, so most know the ecx barrage, rgt rock cruiser, ftx outback are based off the same rig but what makes them different.
Well to start they all have the same
chassis rails, axles, trans, skid, shock mounts, bumper mounts, bumpers ok you get the point.
Now what makes them different
ELECTRONICS the biggest difference out them all. The rgt and ftx in version 1 or v1 have 2 in1 esc/rx. The ecx got a little better set up in that it got an esc and rx in separate units.
STOCK BODIES the other big difference the rgt came in 4 different bodies with 2 colors each.
Ftx came in 3 of the 4 bodies that the rgt came in.
Barrage came in one in the one and only barrage body.
VERSIONS
Most are familiar with the OG v1 then out came the barrage doomsday (v2) which fixed a lot of the things that were some issues or overlooked items such as: The doomsday axle housings have a built in upper 4 link mount. the doomsday did get rid of the long stub shaft and wide hex. Also the rock finders on the bottom of the axle. And went to a different link mount that has both lower and shock in one instead of two different like the og v1 barrage. Besides of the improvements the doomsday is just ugly with all the tid bits thrown on it. The body it self imho isn't bad looking with all the tid bits off of it. Kinda rat rodish. With all that said lets move on.
BODIES
251.4mm = 9.9 inch wheelbase and 195.5mm = 7.7 inch width makes it near identical in dimensions to the CC-01.
Tamiya bodies
Midnight pumpkin 50’s ford
Tamiya Isuzu Mu
Tamyia Ford Bronco
Tamyia Toyota Landcruiser FJ40
Tamyia Unimog 406
Clodbuster - wb275mm, w180mm
Blackfoot - wb 245mm , W 176mm
Subaru Brat - wb246mm, W 180mm
Sand Scorcher - wb 250mm
Tamiya Jeep or Pajero: wb246 mm, SW 195 mm
Tamiya F350 cab fits on it too, But with the bed, the wheelbase would have to be extended by 35mm. Or truggy it.
https://www.rpphobby.com/category_s/270.htm
Traxxas Stampede bodies
Proline F-150 SVT Raptor
Proline '66 Ford F100
And more
https://www.prolineracing.com/stampede-4x4-bodies
a lot of 1/12 scale New Bright/Nikko bodies
Nikko Jeep Wrangler TJ
Nikko ABS bodies as Toyota FJ or Nissan Titan with wb265 mm and W 190 mm
New Bright Hummer H3 with wb 250 mm and W 180 mm
RC4wd Hilux body: order the bed for the 4 door version which is about an inch shorter. combining with the shorter bed with the 2 door cab will align to stock barrage wheelbase. then it's just a matter of bobbing some off the back end to reduce the overhang and departure angle.
Stock 2 door Hilux body with bed will not fit without modifications. it's about 1" too long for wheelbase.
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-Mojave-II-Front-Cab-Primer-Gray_p_4636.html
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-Mojave-II-Four-Door-Rear-Bed-Primer-Gray_p_5184.html
Others with close wheelbase-
Vaterra v100 bodies
https://www.horizonhobby.com/Search...e=true&searchSource=Q&sourceDomain=&pageView=
Rj Speed crawler bodies
RJ Speed
Proline sumo body for barrage
https://www.prolineracing.com/bodies/sumo-clear-body/
Proline 1:10 Crawler VW Beetle
Clear stockers-
Ecx barrage doomsday
Ecx barrage
Rgt rock cruiser/ ftx outback bodies
SUSPENSION
FREE MOD:
rear: remove the rear drive shaft, separate the two halves, cut about ⅜”-½ “ off the male portion, file off any burrs and reinstall. Uncut shaft bottoms out before the suspension does.
Front: remove front cross brace under battery tray or electronic tray (depending on ecx/rgt/fix) , flip it upside down and reinstall to allows more travel between steering servo and cross brace.
Billet Works Designs for their front and rear Losi MRC 3MM HD link/shock mounts. Yes, it fits. Tho are not being made at the moment.
Losi Mini Rock Crawler - Mini Wedge - Billet Works Designs
Dravtech on his shapeway store has his wraptor adaptors which are like the bwd setup but with the added benefit of xr mod since these are the main purpose.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/7TNJS7H4M/wrapter-for-losi-mini-rock-crawler?optionId=42685668
https://www.shapeways.com/product/N...-rear-axle?optionId=42672385&li=related-items
Upper link mounts- Continuing on with ditching the tiny M2 hardware for standard M3 stuff, BWD front servo plate/4 link mount and rear Delrin 4 link plate. Again, it bolts on.
And any other 4 link plate for a MRC. Might not be very scale but performance will be better.
Doomsday axle are setup with 4 link mount and can get upper link from them as well.
Fixing the TT (torque twist), 4 linking it will help just like how it helped rtr losi mrc. Outboarding the shock will help as well.
OUTBOARDING SHOCKS
With the BWD mounts or dravtech adaptors you can outboard the shocks.
Or get the doomsday axles since it was fixed in this version over the OG barrage
Or go about fitting scx10 or similar axles.
Another way to outboard is to move the lower shock mount to the out side of the lower link mount on the axle and use longer hardware. It may interfere with flex or tire depending on size of tire (1.5,1.7,1.9)
SHOCKS
FREE MOD:cut the limiters off all 4 shocks or cut them in ½ all up to you and your preference.
FREE MOD:Shocks all the way up. Will lower the center of gravity making it stable.
Losi mrc/ vaterra blue Springs fit the stock shocks and are softer then stock springs.
Losi mini t rear springs as well.
How you make vaterra slick rock blue spring work with stock shocks. Take stock spring off flip top spring holder install blue spring. They are a little shorter hence flipping the stock spring holder. If you wanted to a little fuel tube inside the shock on the shaft under the piston will help take up the slack.
https://www.amainhobbies.com/losi-m...LjTVZVCNw5dV2g1WznYnp_WcMvopEdzUaAp2nEALw_wcB
https://www.rcplanet.com/rc-parts/r...7ow7vm7rGkagw_DolxxR4lMVw0XtdRnoaAlh9EALw_wcB
aluminum losi mrc/vaterra slickrock shocks fit the stock axles since the 2mm hardware. they were a bit shorter and believe they are 75-76mm they are adjustable and come with different valve piston for tuning. These come with mentioned blue springs. Also losi mini t front and rear springs fit these shocks as well.These are sorta bolt on to fit stock ball stands are the wrong size and must buy the upper shock mounts for a slickrock/mrc then they will bolt on or (4) 3x10mm Ball Studs
https://www.rcplanet.com/rc-parts/r...ghE6SuaeyFY5EFI9MYgkvzch-bAiU0-IaAuBkEALw_wcB
RC4WD Ultra scale shocks 80mm will work if using the axle mounts or full 1/10 axles. internally sprung and can get different springs from soft to hard.
https://www.google.com/search?sourc...ile-gws-hp..1.1.29.3..35i39k1.219.14mopctsJjA
BODY ARMOR
RC4WD #S1371 RAMPAGE SIDE GUARDS. Fit perfect with only a couple of holes drilled.
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-Rampage-Side-Guards-for-Trail-Finder-2-SWB_p_4641.html
scalerfab make a complete armor kit that can be bought separately
https://www.scalerfab.com/products/1-12-scale-ecx-barrage-trail-armor-package
Wertymade Barrage / Everest Gen7 Round Tube Sliders and square sliders
https://www.rpphobby.com/product_p/wm-28.htm
https://www.hobbytown.com/barage-square-sliders-by-wertymade-wty-wm-29/p665598
rc4wd tf2 if you drill a couple holes in the chassis they fit if you trim them a bit
Scx10 bumper mounts fit after filing them to hit the chassis
Stock bumper raised 1mm
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2730976
METAL LOCKER
Hsp part number 680010 also a redcat part #
It works in ecx temper axles which are the same as barrage axles. The temper just don't have cvd axle shafts and widerens. The locker is meant for the redcat everest16 which is the same as a ecx temper.
680010 | Redcat Racing
STEERING
Ecx has aluminum knuckles for the barrage as well as. Ecx temper18/redcat Everest16 aluminum knuckles fit too. its all about your color options with these as they are a copy of stock plastic knuckles.
Want some more steering losi knuckles the c-hubs might need a bearing for them not sure if stock will fit these knuckles
Losi mrc pro zero ackerman knuckles
LOSB1432
https://www.google.com/search?q=LOS...ms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
XR MOD
Dravtech on his shapeway store has his wraptor adaptors which are like the bwd setup but with the added benefit of xr mod since these are the main purpose.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/7TNJS7H4M/wrapter-for-losi-mini-rock-crawler?optionId=42685668
https://www.shapeways.com/product/N...-rear-axle?optionId=42672385&li=related-items
With these adaptors, and xr10/wraith/bomber c-hubs and knuckles and unis you can xr mod your barrage axles
Will update with links and more info when I get it.
Hope this helps others and If you see anything not listed and whatnot post and ill add it.
DIFFERENCES
ok, so most know the ecx barrage, rgt rock cruiser, ftx outback are based off the same rig but what makes them different.
Well to start they all have the same
chassis rails, axles, trans, skid, shock mounts, bumper mounts, bumpers ok you get the point.
Now what makes them different
ELECTRONICS the biggest difference out them all. The rgt and ftx in version 1 or v1 have 2 in1 esc/rx. The ecx got a little better set up in that it got an esc and rx in separate units.
STOCK BODIES the other big difference the rgt came in 4 different bodies with 2 colors each.
Ftx came in 3 of the 4 bodies that the rgt came in.
Barrage came in one in the one and only barrage body.
VERSIONS
Most are familiar with the OG v1 then out came the barrage doomsday (v2) which fixed a lot of the things that were some issues or overlooked items such as: The doomsday axle housings have a built in upper 4 link mount. the doomsday did get rid of the long stub shaft and wide hex. Also the rock finders on the bottom of the axle. And went to a different link mount that has both lower and shock in one instead of two different like the og v1 barrage. Besides of the improvements the doomsday is just ugly with all the tid bits thrown on it. The body it self imho isn't bad looking with all the tid bits off of it. Kinda rat rodish. With all that said lets move on.
BODIES
251.4mm = 9.9 inch wheelbase and 195.5mm = 7.7 inch width makes it near identical in dimensions to the CC-01.
Tamiya bodies
Midnight pumpkin 50’s ford
Tamiya Isuzu Mu
Tamyia Ford Bronco
Tamyia Toyota Landcruiser FJ40
Tamyia Unimog 406
Clodbuster - wb275mm, w180mm
Blackfoot - wb 245mm , W 176mm
Subaru Brat - wb246mm, W 180mm
Sand Scorcher - wb 250mm
Tamiya Jeep or Pajero: wb246 mm, SW 195 mm
Tamiya F350 cab fits on it too, But with the bed, the wheelbase would have to be extended by 35mm. Or truggy it.
https://www.rpphobby.com/category_s/270.htm
Traxxas Stampede bodies
Proline F-150 SVT Raptor
Proline '66 Ford F100
And more
https://www.prolineracing.com/stampede-4x4-bodies
a lot of 1/12 scale New Bright/Nikko bodies
Nikko Jeep Wrangler TJ
Nikko ABS bodies as Toyota FJ or Nissan Titan with wb265 mm and W 190 mm
New Bright Hummer H3 with wb 250 mm and W 180 mm
RC4wd Hilux body: order the bed for the 4 door version which is about an inch shorter. combining with the shorter bed with the 2 door cab will align to stock barrage wheelbase. then it's just a matter of bobbing some off the back end to reduce the overhang and departure angle.
Stock 2 door Hilux body with bed will not fit without modifications. it's about 1" too long for wheelbase.
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-Mojave-II-Front-Cab-Primer-Gray_p_4636.html
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-Mojave-II-Four-Door-Rear-Bed-Primer-Gray_p_5184.html
Others with close wheelbase-
Vaterra v100 bodies
https://www.horizonhobby.com/Search...e=true&searchSource=Q&sourceDomain=&pageView=
Rj Speed crawler bodies
RJ Speed
Proline sumo body for barrage
https://www.prolineracing.com/bodies/sumo-clear-body/
Proline 1:10 Crawler VW Beetle
Clear stockers-
Ecx barrage doomsday
Ecx barrage
Rgt rock cruiser/ ftx outback bodies
SUSPENSION
FREE MOD:
rear: remove the rear drive shaft, separate the two halves, cut about ⅜”-½ “ off the male portion, file off any burrs and reinstall. Uncut shaft bottoms out before the suspension does.
Front: remove front cross brace under battery tray or electronic tray (depending on ecx/rgt/fix) , flip it upside down and reinstall to allows more travel between steering servo and cross brace.
Billet Works Designs for their front and rear Losi MRC 3MM HD link/shock mounts. Yes, it fits. Tho are not being made at the moment.
Losi Mini Rock Crawler - Mini Wedge - Billet Works Designs
Dravtech on his shapeway store has his wraptor adaptors which are like the bwd setup but with the added benefit of xr mod since these are the main purpose.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/7TNJS7H4M/wrapter-for-losi-mini-rock-crawler?optionId=42685668
https://www.shapeways.com/product/N...-rear-axle?optionId=42672385&li=related-items
Upper link mounts- Continuing on with ditching the tiny M2 hardware for standard M3 stuff, BWD front servo plate/4 link mount and rear Delrin 4 link plate. Again, it bolts on.
And any other 4 link plate for a MRC. Might not be very scale but performance will be better.
Doomsday axle are setup with 4 link mount and can get upper link from them as well.
Fixing the TT (torque twist), 4 linking it will help just like how it helped rtr losi mrc. Outboarding the shock will help as well.
OUTBOARDING SHOCKS
With the BWD mounts or dravtech adaptors you can outboard the shocks.
Or get the doomsday axles since it was fixed in this version over the OG barrage
Or go about fitting scx10 or similar axles.
Another way to outboard is to move the lower shock mount to the out side of the lower link mount on the axle and use longer hardware. It may interfere with flex or tire depending on size of tire (1.5,1.7,1.9)
SHOCKS
FREE MOD:cut the limiters off all 4 shocks or cut them in ½ all up to you and your preference.
FREE MOD:Shocks all the way up. Will lower the center of gravity making it stable.
Losi mrc/ vaterra blue Springs fit the stock shocks and are softer then stock springs.
Losi mini t rear springs as well.
How you make vaterra slick rock blue spring work with stock shocks. Take stock spring off flip top spring holder install blue spring. They are a little shorter hence flipping the stock spring holder. If you wanted to a little fuel tube inside the shock on the shaft under the piston will help take up the slack.
https://www.amainhobbies.com/losi-m...LjTVZVCNw5dV2g1WznYnp_WcMvopEdzUaAp2nEALw_wcB
https://www.rcplanet.com/rc-parts/r...7ow7vm7rGkagw_DolxxR4lMVw0XtdRnoaAlh9EALw_wcB
aluminum losi mrc/vaterra slickrock shocks fit the stock axles since the 2mm hardware. they were a bit shorter and believe they are 75-76mm they are adjustable and come with different valve piston for tuning. These come with mentioned blue springs. Also losi mini t front and rear springs fit these shocks as well.These are sorta bolt on to fit stock ball stands are the wrong size and must buy the upper shock mounts for a slickrock/mrc then they will bolt on or (4) 3x10mm Ball Studs
https://www.rcplanet.com/rc-parts/r...ghE6SuaeyFY5EFI9MYgkvzch-bAiU0-IaAuBkEALw_wcB
RC4WD Ultra scale shocks 80mm will work if using the axle mounts or full 1/10 axles. internally sprung and can get different springs from soft to hard.
https://www.google.com/search?sourc...ile-gws-hp..1.1.29.3..35i39k1.219.14mopctsJjA
BODY ARMOR
RC4WD #S1371 RAMPAGE SIDE GUARDS. Fit perfect with only a couple of holes drilled.
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-Rampage-Side-Guards-for-Trail-Finder-2-SWB_p_4641.html
scalerfab make a complete armor kit that can be bought separately
https://www.scalerfab.com/products/1-12-scale-ecx-barrage-trail-armor-package
Wertymade Barrage / Everest Gen7 Round Tube Sliders and square sliders
https://www.rpphobby.com/product_p/wm-28.htm
https://www.hobbytown.com/barage-square-sliders-by-wertymade-wty-wm-29/p665598
rc4wd tf2 if you drill a couple holes in the chassis they fit if you trim them a bit
Scx10 bumper mounts fit after filing them to hit the chassis
Stock bumper raised 1mm
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2730976
METAL LOCKER
Hsp part number 680010 also a redcat part #
It works in ecx temper axles which are the same as barrage axles. The temper just don't have cvd axle shafts and widerens. The locker is meant for the redcat everest16 which is the same as a ecx temper.
680010 | Redcat Racing
STEERING
Ecx has aluminum knuckles for the barrage as well as. Ecx temper18/redcat Everest16 aluminum knuckles fit too. its all about your color options with these as they are a copy of stock plastic knuckles.
Want some more steering losi knuckles the c-hubs might need a bearing for them not sure if stock will fit these knuckles
Losi mrc pro zero ackerman knuckles
LOSB1432
https://www.google.com/search?q=LOS...ms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
XR MOD
Dravtech on his shapeway store has his wraptor adaptors which are like the bwd setup but with the added benefit of xr mod since these are the main purpose.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/7TNJS7H4M/wrapter-for-losi-mini-rock-crawler?optionId=42685668
https://www.shapeways.com/product/N...-rear-axle?optionId=42672385&li=related-items
With these adaptors, and xr10/wraith/bomber c-hubs and knuckles and unis you can xr mod your barrage axles
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