diving deep into silence

[CM9000]

I've gone and done it, albeit late.. but im here.

testing silent esc's from several companies. starting with deviate customs stilte.

the motor will stay the same. firmwares on the esc's and different esc's with the same firmwares... if that made any spark at all.

escape32 is slowly making its way into our market. whats better? we will see. stay tuned for an unbiased test run. (this was my first time running an esc and outrunner like this)

 

[JatoTheRipper]

I'll definitely check this video out if I remember.

 

[Col_Sanders]

Several of those AM32 ESCs are based on the same board but the prices vary a good bit depeneding on what name is on the finished product.

I've been running a couple 80A Rhinos for almost a year now. No complaints about the performance. They're getting switched out soon due to the size. They're big and do not fit where I want to put them now.

 

[JatoTheRipper]

Several of those AM32 ESCs are based on the same board but the prices vary a good bit depeneding on what name is on the finished product.

I've been running a couple 80A Rhinos for almost a year now. No complaints about the performance. They're getting switched out soon due to the size. They're big and do not fit where I want to put them now.

What are you replacing those Rhinos with?

 

[Col_Sanders]

Exo Belay and Castle 10A BECs. Got the ESCs for 15% off on Labor Day sale. They are conformal coated already which is one advantage over some of the others. I'll be coating the BECs myself though.

 

[JatoTheRipper]

Exo Belay and Castle 10A BECs. Got the ESCs for 15% off on Labor Day sale. They are conformal coated already which is one advantage over some of the others. I'll be coating the BECs myself though.

$110! Holy smokes. People gouging on these "open-source" ESCs. There has to be some cheap, but decent AM32 ESC's out there...

What made you go Exo Belay instead of Holmes Crawlmaster?

 

[Col_Sanders]

$110! Holy smokes. People gouging on these "open-source" ESCs. There has to be some cheap, but decent AM32 ESC's out there...

What made you go Exo Belay instead of Holmes Crawlmaster?

The no BEC version is normally $100. I got them for $85/ea on sale. The Silent Assassin, Stilte, and Dlux S2 are all supposed to have the same board as this, so the Belay was actually the cheaper option of the bunch (Stilte is $100, S2 is $90, SA is $135). If I had not gotten in on the sale, I would have probably gone with the Stilte or the S2 if it was in stock.

The Crawlmaster V3 is not rated for a 2250kv on 4s, which is what I'm running in one truck. The CMV2 is still out of stock.

I have many hours on the Rhinos and they never gave me a single issue, even after getting submerged. I'm just trying to rearrange my electronics and they will not fit where I want to put them. There's plenty of room for one on those big ol VRD sliders though.

 

[CM9000]

The no BEC version is normally $100. I got them for $85/ea on sale. The Silent Assassin, Stilte, and Dlux S2 are all supposed to have the same board as this, so the Belay was actually the cheaper option of the bunch (Stilte is $100, S2 is $90, SA is $135). If I had not gotten in on the sale, I would have probably gone with the Stilte or the S2 if it was in stock.

The Crawlmaster V3 is not rated for a 2250kv on 4s, which is what I'm running in one truck. The CMV2 is still out of stock.

I have many hours on the Rhinos and they never gave me a single issue, even after getting submerged. I'm just trying to rearrange my electronics and they will not fit where I want to put them. There's plenty of room for one on those big ol VRD sliders though.

the stilte, s2, belay, and silent assassin esc all have the same firmware installed and same boards. I did a comparison video of all 4. That's actually the first video on my channel.

I'm working on comparing am32 and escape32 on the same boards. Then I will compare am32 on separate boards and escape32 on separate boards. the final battle will be using the 1800kv extreme route inrunner on 4s in a trail rig. the ultimate end goal is to hit all the key ingredients. small, light, durable, best market value/ quality, ease of use. (im going to stick with my stumpy outrunner even for trailing) the inrunner is for those who dont want to scratch a can. same pole count and kv rating.

the board used for the stilte and alike you can find for $50. but thats no wires, bec, and you need to program it yourself.

 

[themountain]

Escape32 is the future BTW those prices they ask for this US ESCs are ridiculous....same boards, same firmware, same flaws....

 

[oldnick]

I like the look of the ESCape32 firmware, and supposedly the same guy is producing cheap esc's.

However they seem as rare as rocking-horse poo, and vendors? Anywhere?

 

[themountain]

I like the look of the ESCape32 firmware, and supposedly the same guy is producing cheap esc's.

However they seem as rare as rocking-horse poo, and vendors? Anywhere?

. Sequre esc

 

[JatoTheRipper]

. Sequre esc

Where do you find this obscure stuff?

Have you tried that ESC you linked to?

 

[themountain]

I tried one of those prototypes last year and one Sequre on the way. It's n interesting concept.

 

[CM9000]

The Sequre is the only cheaper ESCape32 based esc I've found so far. I'm not going to order one till I compare the neutron rc board with different firmware. escape 32 might be the easiest to tune (not needing a laptop with windows or linux or a flight controller) but the actual end operation might be lacking performance compared to AM32.

another escape32 esc to take a look at would be dinky rc's or the bigkidtinytruck esc.

crawler canyon is a great channel.

 

[diezel666]

$110! Holy smokes. People gouging on these "open-source" ESCs. There has to be some cheap, but decent AM32 ESC's out there...

What made you go Exo Belay instead of Holmes Crawlmaster?

Correct, a lot of people have seriously jacked up the prices on the AM32 ESC's. If you don't mind (and I actually don't want most of the connectors and wire they use), get a bare one for cheaper and do the work yourself.

Personally I've found the DYS Aria AM32 35a to be a solid ESC, And even stacking Castle's largest BEC on it, provides no heat issues, and a decent overall package size. Especially if you run super short wires to the BEC, and then incorporate ESC signal wire into the second plug on the BEC output.

 

[JatoTheRipper]

Great thread guys! I'm learning a lot. Hopefully we can keep this one going.

the board used for the stilte and alike you can find for $50. but thats no wires, bec, and you need to program it yourself.

Have you, or anybody else, ever programmed one by yourself? How difficult is that process since it's open source?

 

[diezel666]

Great thread guys! I'm learning a lot. Hopefully we can keep this one going.
Have you, or anybody else, ever programmed one by yourself? How difficult is that process since it's open source?

I've dove in pretty extensively on it. Once you have all the proper devices, know how, and time - It's really not too terrible and has about a 95% success rate of working out.

That said, not all of the tools are cheap, not all of the board information is available and without yet more tools to figure out pin outs and such so you can program it. That becomes a completely separate rabbit hole and problem.

You can help yourself as mentioned above by just finding an already "flashed" AM32 board, and doing wires yourself. At that point, updating the firmware version, and programming the ESC is relatively easy.

 

[themountain]

Switching from AM32 to EScape32 is even easier ....with now, after the BLheli32 debacle, lots of ESCs are available for cheap . If you want to go the flashing route there is now an "unlocker" avaiable which probably makes it much easier .

GitHub - am32-firmware/AM32-unlocker: AM32 ESC unlocker

AM32 ESC unlocker. Contribute to am32-firmware/AM32-unlocker development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

 

[JatoTheRipper]

I've dove in pretty extensively on it. Once you have all the proper devices, know how, and time - It's really not too terrible and has about a 95% success rate of working out.

That said, not all of the tools are cheap, not all of the board information is available and without yet more tools to figure out pin outs and such so you can program it. That becomes a completely separate rabbit hole and problem.

You can help yourself as mentioned above by just finding an already "flashed" AM32 board, and doing wires yourself. At that point, updating the firmware version, and programming the ESC is relatively easy.

Yep too complicated for me and the tools I have available to me so I'm out. Thanks for the info!

Switching from AM32 to EScape32 is even easier ....with now, after the BLheli32 debacle, lots of ESCs are available for cheap . If you want to go the flashing route there is now an "unlocker" avaiable which probably makes it much easier .

GitHub - am32-firmware/AM32-unlocker: AM32 ESC unlocker

AM32 ESC unlocker. Contribute to am32-firmware/AM32-unlocker development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Why would one want ESCape32 when AM32 seems to be the standard?

 

[diezel666]

Yep too complicated for me and the tools I have available to me so I'm out. Thanks for the info!

Why would one want ESCape32 when AM32 seems to be the standard?

So the real "feature" that ESCape32 brings over plain vanilla AM32, is the ESCape32 WiFi link module, and an app that works on PC/Mobile devices.

To get AM32 or ESCape32 onto an ESC, you still need the same programming tools (ST-Link adapter, AND the USB-TTL adapter). Once you have ESCape32 flashed onto the ESC, Then you can utilize the ESCape32 WiFi adapter to "adjust" the ESC, much like you would the AM32 ESC's via the USB-TTL tool and software on a windows based PC.