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CCW guys...chambered round?

JasonInAugusta

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I was listening to the local talk radio guy on the 3rd. He was talking about Plaxico Burress shooting himself in the leg at a club in NY.

He said that Burress did several stupid things, one of which was having a round in the chamber. Having a gun in a club, not having a current CCW is a definite no-no, but the talk show host said that Burress was wrong for having a round in the chamber.

He's a nice guy, talked to him several times. It's well-known that he has a CCW permit. I just couldn't believe the guy doesn't carry a weapon with a chambered round.

So I sent him a quick email...

Austin,

Every weapon I carry has a round chambered at all times.

If you ever NEED to use your weapon, you'll want to have a round in the chamber. Not doing so puts your life, and the lives of those around you, in danger.



Checked that email account today to find that he had replied back.

That is your prerogative...but I think the .5 seconds it takes you to chamber a round is a cushion most can live with.

AR

I was amazed at his "cushion most can live with" comment.


Austin,

Add that .5 seconds to the time it takes to draw the weapon. How far behind the power curve do you wish to be in a life and death situation?


The longer it takes you to have a fully functional weapon in your hands, the more cushion the bad guy has, the longer you're at a disadvantage, and the longer your life (as well as the lives of those around you) is in danger.

Something you're also not thinking about is that if you're in a situation where the bad guy has his attention focused elsewhere and you decide to go ahead a rack that slide to chamber a round, you've just given an audible alert to the bad guy that's screaming "I HAVE A GUN!" By doing so you've made yourself his priority target. The slides of semi-auto pistols make a very unique sound that EVERYONE recognizes (just like shotguns). If you think you'd rack the slide slowly and quietly so as to not raise suspicion, you're taking for fawking ever to react. Three to four times as long based on your .5 second comment.

What happens if, in the heat of the moment, during that adrenaline rush, you pull your weapon and immediately aim it at the bad guy?

Click...

If you haven't been in that situation you don't know how you're going to react. You NEED to stack the deck in your favor. As a CCW permit holder the only time you should need to use your weapon will be when your life or the lives of those around you is put at risk. At the moment you decide you NEED to use your weapon you're already at a disadvantage. Combine that with the sense of panic (normal) and the instant adrenaline rush you'll get and there's a myriad of things that can go wrong.

I was in the military for eight years. During those eight years I had three close calls. I'm alive because of decisions I made and my strong will to live.

What you're saying is equivalent to saying you won't wear a seat belt in your car but will instead put it on just before a crash.

Just as in a car crash, you don't always see it coming.



Stay safe,
Jason


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I don't have a CCW anymore, don't really need it where I live. When I lived in California, I had a CCW and always carried my S&W 4516 with a round in the chamber with the safety on(of course). I've heard the same argument there. I've also heard stories of those that carry a 1911 type "cocked and locked" where the safety was somehow disengaged and there was an accidental discharge.
Montana has an open carry law. I can carry my Ruger Super Blackhawk, loaded, in a holster on my side. I do that regularly when I go up into the woods to protect me from 2 and 4 legged predators (mostly bears, though)... When I'm not wearing it, I keep it in the side door pocket of my Dodge P/U, loaded in it's holster....
 
I agree Jason 100%. Having it chambered is smart. Like you said when you draw your weapon that means shit has hit the fan. I would never draw mine unless I felt my life or my families life was in danger.

My brother drives through a DUI check point this Thanksgiving weekend, He has a CCW. He hands the card to the state trooper, the trooper looks at his card and asks: "You carrying?" My bro says yes! "Is it loaded?" Uhhh yeah! Then the trooper asks: "Why are carrying?" My brother tells him: the same reason you do, I want to go home tonight. Then the trooper pats his shoulder and smiles and says..."You have a good weekend Mr.Colquitt.
 
My thought has always been that if I'm gonna get shot, it's most likely gonna be by some chicken-shit punk and I'll probably get shot in the back and never see it coming. So chambered or not, I'm screwed :)

Especially in the Plaxico incident. He was in a packed night club. If someone wants to take his chains that bad that they'll shoot him, they'll most likely walk up and pop him at close range and he won't know it till he's on the ground.
 
Always have one in the chamber! ALWAYS! Not doing so is like having a unloaded gun. It can be the difference life and death! No to mention that in the heat of what is going on it would be easy to rush trying to rack a round and jam your gun, class 1 failure! Keep that extra round in there guys!
 
In this case I'd have to agree with you guys. If you feel the need to carry a gun with you than I have no problem with that, I would just ask that you a) have a permit, so that if you must use the gun you don't get in trouble for not doing so legally, and b) always have a round ready, but keep the safety on. I complete agree with Jason's argument and the seat belt comparison.
 
If I have my gun there is a round in the chamber, not doing so is just like everyone has stated; is like having a unloaded gun
 
Apparently that talk show guy is just a plain liberal asshole! That's just like common sense gun control.:evil:

Damn people make me puke!
 
I agree with you Jason 100% If you don't have one chambered, you might as well carry a knife or a stick. Hope to God that you did bring a knife to a gun fight!!!
 
I personally don't carry but don't have a problem with doing so legally. If you carry and are worried about a accidental discharge carry a modern revolver. Six ready to go with the option of single action. It's not as cool as a glock XD or whatever but I'm sure it would get the job done.
 
I haven't gotten my CCW yet but I like my new Sig 40/357. Fully double action no safety to mess with just point and squeeze!!!!!!
 
I'd say for CC that a round in the camber is always a good idea, if the gun isn't loaded, no reason to carry it, if it isn't going to go "bang" when you need it to. Your even more SOL if its at close range and you try and pull it from your holster and rack the slide, it gives the attacker more time to grab your gun.
I don't really have an experienced opinion here though, since I have never CC a day in my life.
 
An unloaded pistol is fairly useless. When I was in law enforcement, we were required to carry one in the pipe, safety on. I don't know anyone who wasn't comfortable with it- you have to trust that it works, but also if you train properly you won't be drawing it from the holster with your finger on the trigger.
I had a CCW permit when I lived in VA for years, it's not required where I live now but I rarely carry here as opposed to VA (near DC). When I do, it's a 1911 (Kimber). The 1911 scares people because the hammer is back when carried hot, relying on the large thumb safety to lock it. I've heard anecdotes about those safeties being disengaged accidentally, but that's why they have the grip safety now too. It's a VERY safe weapon to carry.
It doesn't make the talk show dude a liberal commie as suggested earlier, it just means that he is ignorant on this particular subject and a prime example of why people need training.
 
i actually don't have a CCW yet. YET! here in the next month or so ill be taking care of that. and i don't believe there is any reason not to have one chambered at all times.
 
He couldn't afford a proper holster for that weapon so it wouldn't slip down his leg?

Yup, guns don't shoot people. Stupid people mishandling guns shoot people.

I hardly ever carry anymore. It is too hectic with three boys under 5. When I have it, it is always ready. "thumbsup"
 
I've always been trained to have it duty Carry. It's not like you can tell the other bullet to slow down .5sec for ya. So you can catch up.
 
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