Bush Resigns!

[Shaun]

I have no problems with gun control laws. If you look at the last eight years many tragedies could have been avoided if there were stricter gun laws put into place, such as the numerous school shootings. I don't know about you, but if my child was killed by some emo kid with a rifle it would make it damn hard to pick up a gun for the rest of my life. If I have to spend a few more bucks or wait a few more days to pick up a gun from the store to keep guns out of the hands of unstable people, so be it.

If a emo kid wanted a gun he wouldn't go to a gun shop, because he would be underaged most likely. So he would go to the guy in the ally selling guns out of the trunk of his car. I'm looking at the last eight years and don't see where a waiting period or a raised price would solve anything. If you take the guns away all together, the only guys that are going to give their weapons up is the law abiding citizens, not the rapist, killers, robbers, and so on.

PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ****ING ASS

I'm all for raising the price of amunition, because then you might think before planting one between someones eyes

Are you f*cking kidding? The only time I would plant one between someones eyes is if my life or my family members life was in danger, at that moment I wouldn't give two shits if the round in the chamber cost $2,000,000. Raising the price of ammo will not solve anything, what it will do is make it harder to hunt, and sport shoot. Please do us all a favor and pull your head out.

 

[pvtjrt01550]

Oh, and the last time I checked, a DUI isn't "law abiding"

neither is littering or speeding or yelling in public. thats a truly weak argument...

 

[Rudukai13]

Littering or yelling isn't likely to get someone killed. It's a perfectly fine argument.

 

[Rudukai13]

:roll:
Last time I checked, a politician doesn't get elected or re-elected if he goes against "his" party.

Didn't McCain base his entire campaign on the idea that he wouldn't align with his party? What's the word...Maverick?

 

[Rudukai13]

If a emo kid wanted a gun he wouldn't go to a gun shop, because he would be underaged most likely. So he would go to the guy in the ally selling guns out of the trunk of his car. I'm looking at the last eight years and don't see where a waiting period or a raised price would solve anything. If you take the guns away all together, the only guys that are going to give their weapons up is the law abiding citizens, not the rapist, killers, robbers, and so on.

PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ****ING ASS

Are you f*cking kidding? The only time I would plant one between someones eyes is if my life or my family members life was in danger, at that moment I wouldn't give two shits if the round in the chamber cost $2,000,000. Raising the price of ammo will not solve anything, what it will do is make it harder to hunt, and sport shoot. Please do us all a favor and pull your head out.

And he isn't saying that he is going to take away your guns! Not once in the campaign has he said that he would take away all your guns.

 

[Shaun]

And he isn't saying that he is going to take away your guns! Not once in the campaign has he said that he would take away all your guns.

Why don't you take a look at his past voting history on gun laws.

 

[JeremyH]

Didn't McCain base his entire campaign on the idea that he wouldn't align with his party? What's the word...Maverick?

:roll: Obviously it wasn't too far from his party, since they chose him to represent them.

 

[pvtjrt01550]

I realize that the word "DUI" is a bit of a hot button so let me explain the situation(in hopes of someone understanding the need for some sort of review in the issusing of firearms permits) my cousin and I were being stupid on my uncles farm drinking too much and wheeling an anchient ford truck in a flooded field the local police got us and because we didnt own the farm he was charged with DUI It's not quite the serious offense DUI on a public street is and btw my cousin is fine thanks for asking..My point is that If it wasn't for that fairly ridicoulus situation my cousin would have been able to purchase a firearm to defend himself and around here ANY offense could possibly bar you from EVER being able to purchase a firearm even littering THATS the nonsense the anti gun lobby is trying to push.

 

[Rudukai13]

I realize that the word "DUI" is a bit of a hot button so let me explain the situation(in hopes of someone understanding the need for some sort of review in the issusing of firearms permits) my cousin and I were being stupid on my uncles farm drinking too much and wheeling an anchient ford truck in a flooded field the local police got us and because we didnt own the farm he was charged with DUI It's not quite the serious offense DUI on a public street is and btw my cousin is fine thanks for asking..My point is that If it wasn't for that fairly ridicoulus situation my cousin would have been able to purchase a firearm to defend himself and around here ANY offense could possibly bar you from EVER being able to purchase a firearm even littering THATS the nonsense the anti gun lobby is trying to push.

I agree, refusing someones right to purchase a gun due to a minor offense is nonsense.

 

[dezfan]

And he isn't saying that he is going to take away your guns! Not once in the campaign has he said that he would take away all your guns.

:ror:

Of course he isn't going to say it during the election process.

As Shawn stated, go look at his voting record.

 

[Cloak]

How does raising the price of munitions and making it harder to legally own a gun keep criminals from buying them. I can drive across town right now a buy a few throw aways for less than $100. All you do by making it harder to purchase fire arms is keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Even criminals are smart enough to know not to kill someone with a legal traceable gun.

No kidding. I've talked about it purchasing a gun for the better part of a year now and getting my CCP. This election has pretty much forced my hand. I've been learning as much as I can and deciding on which firearms I want to buy now. Our forefathers thought this to be the second most important thing behind the freedom of speech and now the possibility exists that we'll have it vastly moderated? Sod that.

So... I guess my next post should be a gun thread asking for opinions about what guns people recommend for a first time gun owner. I'm leaning towards 9mm, either a Glock 19 or a Springfield XD 9. I'm also looking at a couple different shotguns, but it seems like I'm leaning towards a Remmington.

Raising the price of ammo will not solve anything, what it will do is make it harder to hunt, and sport shoot. Please do us all a favor and pull your head out.

Even worse. It will impose a price barrier for law abiding citizens who want to stay in practice with their guns should they need it.

 

[RAM2500]

^^^^^ Always been happy with the simplicity and reliability of my Remington....."thumbsup"

 

[freetimecrawler]

Wow, what a piece of work you are:

"liberal hippy over paid professors" - you sound like someone who certainly never attained a college/univeristy degree or experienced the wonder of higher learning. Believe it or not, university life is not all smoking pot and living in some airy fairy dream world. University is where many of our leaders come from - the TEACHERS, ENGINEERS, DOCTORS, LAWYERS etc etc.

There are many fine proffessors out there, but... there are also many liberal hippy proffessors that, "never left school" and push their liberal views on their students.



As for GOD - well that's another matter I won't get into. GOD or any religion has no place in politics or public governance UNLESS you are willing to take into account that GOD may encompass deities other than the Christian god.

I believe govenrment has no right in religion, (ie: telling people to believe or what to believe in) however, I don't believe it's written anywhere that religion can't be part of government/politics, or a politicans life.

"nuff said.

This is what really bothers me. For McCain supporters, any time something good could be said about Obama they always have to come up with some other reason for why someone would support him - the millions of americans who voted for him couldn't possibly have scraped up a hundred dollars each approximately and donated it to the person they hoped would be running the country for the next four years. In this another thread someone suggested that the only reason why Obama had so many votes was because too many people were still angry at Bush. Of course, it couldn't be that people were voting for Obama, they had to be voting against McCain.And yes, your right. I think many people voted with their emotions. Rage over what has been happening the last eight years, as well as fear as to what will happen if the same policies are allowed to continue. For the record, I was not old enough to vote
Being your 16, you were what 8 when Bush came into office, hardly old enough to even know what was going on in the political world, nor did many of the new voters voting on pure emotions.
Being 16, I'm sure most of your views are formed (spoon feed) by your liberal parents.

And just to continue the theme of this thread...F*ck you "thumbsup"

Obama is a good man...he is trying to help your country and that's so obvious and he has been hated prematurely since the beginning ...

This has never happened before with any presidential candidates which is slightly odd dont you think?


So what is the reason that so many have hated this guy from the very beginning?


Could be his socialist policies, or his anti gun stance for starters?

I lived in Australia most my life apart from Europe as a child etc now Japan ...

As far as the middle class tax thing is concerned it has been going on in Australia ever since I was born or can remember ...

We have a top notch Medical System, Europe and especially Asia can dream of it ...
And by the sounds of things America too ...

I believe some major changes in your system were in hand to fix that up ...

I hear you people travel to foreign countries to get proper medical treatment ...so more billions on WAR was gonna fix that ???????

Not sure where you heard that? I'd like to see some facts on it? Most foreign VIP's (Kings,Queens, Princes's, etc) travel to the world famous Mayo Clinic in Rochester Mn USA for their medical treatments. I've personally never talked to or have known anyone thats "traveled to a foreign country for proper medical treatment"
Can you name a few/any "medical breakthroughs" that have come from that "top notch medical system" in Aus?
Maybe you don't understand what a free market is?
Our medical system works on the free market system, where a doctor is rewarded for inventing a new medical device or surgery technique,

Fixed it for ya!"thumbsup"



Sad to see that you are so worried that your little precious life is going to be changed to help others that you can't even open your ears to hear that there are multiple opinions in the world and yours is not always right.

I don't go to work 5 days a week to "help others"
If I'm short on my bills, I don't expect you to pay them for me, and I don't expect to pay them for you or anybody else. "Helping others" is something you should want to do, not be forced by the government.
Bluntly put, "if you can't feed em~don't beed em"

And I'm sorry but this has everything to do with the last eight years. I supported Obama because he said he would get us out of Iraq, make us energy independent, etc. etc. etc. Many of the things I supported him for are for things that he said he would fix since they were screwed up over the last eight years.

This goes back to age again, you're not old enough to have heard it all before, but almost every candidate for office in my lifetime, was going to "fix things" "make us energy independent" etc. All I can say is LMAO

oh yeah cause I'm sure your ancestors were invited.

Mine came here legally


Yeah, so when you are laid off for a couple of years, and need medical care, don't come ask for any! You can just keep letting people not get the care they need because they can't afford it and the current health insurance won't pay because it would hurt thier bottom line. Public health care is not a bad thing. I love the Canadian system, yes we complain, but we know it is much better then the American system.

Laid off for a couple of years?
Sorry, but if you're laid off that long, you need to take a serious evaluation of your marketable job skills, and/or your area of residence, and maybe think about some changes.

Why if the Canadian system is so good, do Canadians spend $800 million a year in the US on health care?

I'm insured through my employer, of which I and my employer share costs.
Why would I want to have to pay for everyones health care?



Oh yeah, cause we all know that Canada isn't a free country!

Haven't you been told not to believe everything you read on the internet?




The fact of the matter is the Canadian healthcare system is much better than ours and I don't see a problem with not only accepting that but then saying "and we should use it."

Any facts to back up this bold statement?

Obama is not trying to take your firearms. He might be trying to make it so that it is harder for the criminals to get their hands on guns, but for a normal law-abiding citizen you will still be allowed to purchase firearms.

Think about this, do you really think "criminals" buy guns legally?
This only makes it harder for law-abiding citizens to get firearms.


What fight to take away our freedom to enjoy our public land? Never heard that before...

The liberal tree hugging groups (and there are many) have "their man in office"
hence easier access to helping pass laws on pubilc land use.

Try and formulate a cognitive argument before posting in the thread.

How does raising the price of munitions and making it harder to legally own a gun keep criminals from buying them. I can drive across town right now a buy a few throw aways for less than $100. All you do by making it harder to purchase fire arms is keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Even criminals are smart enough to know not to kill someone with a legal traceable gun.

Amen

My opinions will not change.

Very possibably they will, it's called maturity, wisdom, something that comes with age. It's not a bad thing to change your opinion sometimes.

BTW, are you by chance Binary's son :ror:

 

[JasonInAugusta]

No, the National Anthem was not playing during that photo.

Haven't you been told not to believe everything you read on the internet?

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-HEAD-
Sec. 301. National anthem

-STATUTE-
(a) Designation. - The composition consisting of the words and
music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. - During a rendition of the national
anthem -
(1) when the flag is displayed -
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at
attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with
their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder,
the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at
the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until
the last note; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face
toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the
flag were displayed.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/36C3.txt

 

[Rudukai13]

Dammit...

 

[Rudukai13]

And your right, when I was eight I could care less about politics. Now I'm older, and I realise that the decisions that are made now will effect me in the future. I might not have a say, but I have a stake in what happens. I'll be damned if I don't have the correct information to those I know who can and did vote, and they all voted for Obama. You want to talk about weak arguments, come up with something better then "I'm older."

 

[Rudukai13]

As for health care quality, take a look: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0505/p02s01-uspo.html

 

[JeremyH]

As for health care quality, take a look: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0505/p02s01-uspo.html

Let me ask you this....what exactly does your article refer to when they say that people in the US "spend twice as much"?? Is that what the workers pay in insurance premiums or is that what the insurance providers pay to the people providing the healthcare? Or is it based on the amount that doctors and hospitals bill the insurance providers? And did they consider "for cash" patients?

Again, Canadian healthcare might be cheaper, but treatment facilities are few and far between. How does forcing someone who needs treatment to drive hundreds of miles justify the cost savings? It seems that the folks who wrote your article forgot to mention that fact.

Would you wish that on a dying relative?

As for Americans traveling abroad to receive treatment, I cannot give a figure on that (although, I have never hear of, nor do I know anyone who has done so). However, where I work we constantly treat patients from other countries all over the world. Most of them pay cash. I guess they just heard of our terrible cure rates, but decided to travel half way around the world to give it a go anyway.:roll:

 

[The Real Dogman]

I believe the remarks regarding Americans travelin abroad to get health care is referring to the few rich and elite that travel to brazil for lipo suction/plastic surgury and the few middle class that cross the border here in AZ to get cheaper meds and the few wealthy that travel the worl for their experimental treatments for rare or difficult to treat diseases/ailements. But those are only examples of the very few. By no means an indication that a vast many can/will do that.

 

[JeremyH]

I believe the remarks regarding Americans travelin abroad to get health care is referring to the few rich and elite that travel to brazil for lipo suction/plastic surgury and the few middle class that cross the border here in AZ to get cheaper meds and the few wealthy that travel the worl for their experimental treatments for rare or difficult to treat diseases/ailements. But those are only examples of the very few. By no means an indication that a vast many can/will do that.

Ahh.....ok. The people that I was referring to (that come to where I work) are there for life saving treatments. Not experimental treatments or for aesthetic purposes.