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$1.50/gal Gas

Sure.....you made the assumption that I dont vote....and accused me of being part of a group of people responsible for the stagnant drilling policy in this country. Hence the term, "unfounded accusations"...:roll:
How about you take the time to hop off your soap box and actually read what I wrote, please.

Now, it's up there for all to read, nowhere do I say, "I assume JeremyH doesn't vote", no did I ?

Nowhere did I "accuse" you of anything in fact, here; I'll help you out a little in understanding the difference.

STATEMENT : " I think you may be foolish"

ACCUSATION : " Why are you foolish"


You see? Whilst I was putting across a point that you may not agree with, I was not making a personal attack upon yourself, just some of your misconceptions, just like you may not agree with mine.

But at no time did I stoop to a pathetic, ill informed and incorrect personal attack, my apologies if you misunderstoond and thout I did, but :flipoff: stop ya bleatin. :lmao:
 
It sure as hell does matter what that tax money is used for. A lot of countries pay inflated gas prices because the tax money is used to fund socialized programs, like healthcare. Here in the US we pay for our healthcare and other entitlements seperatley. We may pay less per gallon for fuel but we have to foot the bill for healthcare and those other programs. .

this is so stupid..


So you think that becouse in holland we pay the most for gasoline, the healthcare is free ??????

Can you tell me why my gouvernment makes me pay evey month 170 dollars for my healthcare insurance ?

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that is 170 dollars for me, 170 dollars for the wife. and the kid is free up to the age of 18 years..
every month. again and again..
 
How about you take the time to hop off your soap box and actually read what I wrote, please.

Now, it's up there for all to read, nowhere do I say, "I assume JeremyH doesn't vote", no did I ?

Nowhere did I "accuse" you of anything in fact, here; I'll help you out a little in understanding the difference.

STATEMENT : " I think you may be foolish"

ACCUSATION : " Why are you foolish"


You see? Whilst I was putting across a point that you may not agree with, I was not making a personal attack upon yourself, just some of your misconceptions, just like you may not agree with mine.

But at no time did I stoop to a pathetic, ill informed and incorrect personal attack, my apologies if you misunderstoond and thout I did, but :flipoff: stop ya bleatin. :lmao:

If you were making a general statement not directed at JeremyH why did you quote him?
 
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this is so stupid..


So you think that becouse in holland we pay the most for gasoline, the healthcare is free ??????

Can you tell me why my gouvernment makes me pay evey month 170 dollars for my healthcare insurance ?

edit:
that is 170 dollars for me, 170 dollars for the wife. and the kid is free up to the age of 18 years..
every month. again and again..

Would you rather pay the $10k a year some people are paying for health insurance here in the US? That $10k is for a mediocre plan also with a deductable.

Apparently you have a very hard time grasping the concept that the tax structure between the US and Holland is completely different.

The sale of fuels in the Netherlands is levied with an excise tax. The 2007 fuel tax was € 0.684 per litre or $ 3.5 per gallon. On top of that is 19% VAT over the entire fuel price, making the Dutch taxes one of the highest in the world. In total, taxes account for 68,84% of the total price of petrol and 56,55% of the total price of diesel.[3] A 1995 excise was raised by Dutch gulden 25 cents (€0.11), the Kok Quarter (€0.08 raise per litre gasoline and €0.03 raise per litre diesel), by then Prime-Minister Wim Kok is now specifically set aside by the second Balkenende cabinet for use in road creation and road and public transport maintenance.

When you remove all the tax from the fuel in Holland and all the smaller amount of tax on fuel here in the US you will see the root price of gasoline is a lot closer than after taxes. Like I said before it is a completely different tax structure.
 
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I take it that's Texan for, "Sorry, I got it wrong but not man enough to admit it""thumbsup" no problems mate, these little misunderstandings happen "thumbsup"
No.....that is read as "I give up on you and your misconceived notions about this country..."
 
If you were making a general statement not directed at JeremyH why did you quote him?

Get it right, my original post quoted wideload not "Whatever" his name is, "whatever" his name is then jumped in quoting and flaming me, go on, page 3 have a read.
 
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Would you rather pay the $10k a year some people are paying for health insurance here in the US? That $10k is for a mediocre plan also with a deductable.


you must love obamacare !!!

but I know for a fact that the high gasprices in Holland has nothing or little to do with the monthly fee I have to pay for healthcare.

explanation:

If you are living in the Netherlands or you are paying income-tax in the Netherlands you are required to purchase a health insurance at a Dutch insurance company.

The basic package

The government has put together a basic package that covers about the same as the previous system. Health insurance companies are legally obliged to offer at least this basic package and can not reject anybody who is applying for it. With the basic package you are covered for the following:
  • Medical care, including services by GP’s, hospitals, medical specialists and obstetricians
  • Hospital stay
  • Dental care (up until the age of 18 years, when 18 years or older you are only covered for specialist dental care and false teeth)
  • Various medical appliances
  • Various medicines
  • Prenatal care
  • Patient transport (e.g. ambulance)
  • Paramedical care
You can decide to purchase additional insurance for circumstances not included in the basic package. However, in this case insurance companies can reject your application and they have the right to determine the price.
If you are working for a company in the Netherlands, consider purchasing a collective health insurance policy, this can be a good option as it is often cheaper. However, you are not obliged to buy such a policy when it is offered to you and your employer is not obliged to make you an offer. Ask your employer about the possibilities.
Fees of the basic package

The fees for the basic health insurance package are annually determined by the health insurance companies and are normally approximately €95 per month. Although the Ministry of Health ( Ministerie van Volksgezondheid, Welzijn en Sport) determines a standard premium, the insurance companies determine the additions fee you will have to pay in the end by charging a certain rate and a no-claim charge. It is with these additional fees that the insurance companies compete with each other. There are various health insurance companies and a new law will make it easier to change between health insurance companies.
If you are required to purchase health insurance and are earning a salary, you will also pay a supplementary contribution from your income (rated 6.5% up to the first €30,000 of earnings; 4.4% for self-employed individuals).
The fees of health insurance companies can differ so it is advisable to compare the various prices. To help you with this choice, you can go to: www.kiesbeter.nl .
For some, healthcare in the Netherlands has become more expensive as a result of the changes. The Dutch government compensates these cases by offering a care grant ( zorgtoeslag). The Tax Administration ( belastingdienst) determines if you are eligible by examining your income. Foreigners are also entitled to this grant if they qualify.
Children under the age of 18 years do not have to pay any health insurance and are insured for free for the basic package of health care.
Basic health insurance for foreigners

The length of your stay is important in determining whether or not you are required to purchase health insurance in the Netherlands. People staying temporarily in the Netherlands are not required to purchase health insurance.
If you use Dutch medical services during your stay, make sure that you always keep all the bills, prescriptions and receipts. This can save a lot of trouble on your return to your home country. If you are an EU citizen, you should apply for a European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) through your home national health insurance agency or company. This card makes it easier to access health care in European countries and means you either do not have to pay for emergency treatment or you get healthcare charges refunding more quickly.
Foreigners becoming long-term residents in the Netherlands and/ those earning a salary in the Netherlands are required to purchase a basic insurance from a Dutch health care insurance company. Keep in mind that if you do not purchase a health insurance you may be fined.
Foreigners who settle in the Netherlands and remain receiving an income abroad are not always required to purchase a Dutch health insurance. This is determined by the length of your stay. When your stay is temporary you are not required to purchase a health insurance.
When you stay in the Netherlands is not temporary, you are required to purchase a health insurance. However, rules and regulations about the durability of your stay remain unclear. Generally you can use the following rule of thumb:
  • A person who stays in the Netherlands for a period of less than one year is assumed to be on a temporary stay;
  • A person who stays in the Netherlands for a period between one and three years is assumed to be on a long-term stay, but this will be accepted as temporary when the person can prove otherwise;
  • A person who stays in the Netherlands for a period for more than three years is assumed to be on a long-term stay.
In all cases it will be examined whether the center of your civil and social life is in the Netherlands. This depends on your legal (e.g. residency permit), financial (income, tax duty, etc.) and social (membership of a club, family, etc.) situation.
 
Get it right, my original post quoted wide load, not "Whatever" his name is, "whatever" his name is then jumped in quoting and flaming me, go on, page 3 have a read.

What are you? Maybe 3-5 years old by how your acting?

You obviously jumped in to be an ass just for the sake of being an ass. Wow, applaud yourself because your so special and pay more for gas.

The why's and how's are always the important part. Understanding why and how you pay more is a key factor in understanding the pricing in the first place. These are fundamentals here.

If you look back, you started the personal attacks the whined when something was redirected back at you. "thumbsup"
 
Wow....seriously? I "flamed" you? :roll:

What's this,



Quote:
Originally Posted by Walldog
Damned straight, just paid $1.64/litre for premium quit ya bleat'in

Quote: "whatever"
Wow....the ability to read is lost on you Aussies...



Go on, say "Whatever" again, it sounds so quaint and folksy with a Texan drawl, go on :ror:
 
According to Wiki. (Holland Healthcare) So you are getting goverment subsidies from taxes towards healthcare.

Other sources of health care payment are taxes (14%), out of pocket payments (9%), additional optional health insurance packages (4%) and a range of other sources (4%).<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-statline.cbs.nl_3-1">[4]</sup> Affordability is guaranteed through a system of income-related allowances and individual and employer-paid income-related premiums.

you must love obamacare !!!

Most of what is in the "Obamacare" plan does not take effect for years. The bill is massive, knowing the entire scope and ramifications of the bill as of now is impossible.
 
What are you? Maybe 3-5 years old by how your acting?

You obviously jumped in to be an ass just for the sake of being an ass. Wow, applaud yourself because your so special and pay more for gas.

The why's and how's are always the important part. Understanding why and how you pay more is a key factor in understanding the pricing in the first place. These are fundamentals here.

If you look back, you started the personal attacks the whined when something was redirected back at you. "thumbsup"

Exactly."thumbsup"
 
What are you? Maybe 3-5 years old by how your acting?

You obviously jumped in to be an ass just for the sake of being an ass. Wow, applaud yourself because your so special and pay more for gas.

The why's and how's are always the important part. Understanding why and how you pay more is a key factor in understanding the pricing in the first place. These are fundamentals here.

If you look back, you started the personal attacks the whined when something was redirected back at you. "thumbsup"


Really? First thing :flipoff: secondly , you obviously didn't bother to read from the start, so :flipoff:

Funny how you start your post with a personal attack, did your wife give you permission to?:flipoff:

Oh, and you might note, YDF that I never disagreed with some of the arguments that "whatever" put forward, right up untill he mouthed off , and now y'all is acryin dat I bin nasty to dat der boy, suck it up buttercup:lmao:

















Oh and :flipoff:
 
According to Wiki. (Holland Healthcare) So you are getting goverment subsidies from taxes towards healthcare.





Most of what is in the "Obamacare" plan does not take effect for years. The bill is massive, knowing the entire scope and ramifications of the bill as of now is impossible.

isnt it great ;-)
and those governtment subsidies from taxes towards healthcare yoy are refering to.
who do you think is paying those? thats right, Me. I am....

that is why I am paying 52% income tax..

so it does not matter how you look at it.. you have cheap gass in the USA...
 
isnt it great ;-)
and those governtment subsidies from taxes towards healthcare yoy are refering to.
who do you think is paying those? thats right, Me. I am....

that is why I am paying 52% income tax..

so it does not matter how you look at it.. you have cheap gass in the USA...
"thumbsup""thumbsup" my point EXACTLY "thumbsup""thumbsup"
 
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