The cards are starting to topple

[ThinkTank]

I seem to remember another religious group that would kill anyone they couldn't convert. Who was that? Oh yeah....CHRISTIANS! And it wasn't just some rogue extremist faction, those orders came from God himself via the Pope.

The Muslim "excuse manual" isn't any worse than others that are out there. :roll:

The orders came from the Pope, not God.
You don't believe that Osama was told by Allah to start a jihad war, why would believe the Pope was told to wage war? The Church chose to start the crusades.

Obama wants to sit down and have a heart to heart chat with these people, and thinks they'll play nice? He can't really be that stupid..... can he? :shock:

He used the Koran for his senatorial inauguration for a reason. ;-) :shock:

 

[Mr.Slave]

I pulled this post up for the benefit of the bleeding hearts...

Guess it needs to be said again.....

Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few....

Also seen as "Gee, wouldn't it be nice if everyone could just get along, solve all their problems diplomatically and drive solar cars and only eat veggies"

Wake up. Muslim extremists want to kill YOU. Not just soldiers willing to give their lives. YOU. Read their <s>religious documents</s> excuse manual. They are using their religion as a tool of war. Convert them or kill them. Convert YOU or kill YOU. Not just the evil Republicanos, war mongers or oil grubbers, YOU.

How do you negotiate with that? Can't. Won't. Shouldn't. You go where they eat, sleep, live and kill them. Period.

Or just go to sleep and have happy veggie dreams..... everything will work itself out once Obama settles into office.

me thinks you've been watching too much fox news.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

One problem with that, only JESUS is ALIVE! "thumbsup"

That should make it that much more interesting then...

The orders came from the Pope, not God.
You don't believe that Osama was told by Allah to start a jihad war, why would believe the Pope was told to wage war? The Church chose to start the crusades.

Soooo the Pope acted on his own without Gods blessing? I'm pretty sure that if we could ask him, he would say that God told him to.

I didn't say one way or the other about what I believe Osama was told. What I do believe is that killing others to support the ideals of your 'god' is idiotic, psychotic, and totally delusional. Plain 'ole religious persecution isn't much better. With over 6000 religions in this world, its my belief that most of us will be in for a suprise when we take the big dirt nap. If you're saying to yourself "that won't be me, I know what will happen", you're the one I'm speaking to. ;-)

 

[FreqEsKinz]

me thinks you've been watching too much fox news.

I love how all the die hard lefties think Fox News channel is a cult I get my "koolaid" from...

And the funny thing is they all think John Stewart is broadcasting the news... funny.

... With over 6000 religions in this world, its my belief that most of us will be in for a suprise when we take the big dirt nap. If you're saying to yourself "that won't be me, I know what will happen", you're the one I'm speaking to. ;-)

Uh, excuse me, but I believe that's why they call it "Faith". 8)

 

[dezfan]

I love how all the die hard lefties think Fox News channel is a cult I get my "koolaid" from...

And the funny thing is they all think John Stewart is broadcasting the news... funny.

You didn't get the memo?:shock:

 

[Mr.Slave]

That should make it that much more interesting then...



Soooo the Pope acted on his own without Gods blessing? I'm pretty sure that if we could ask him, he would say that God told him to.

I didn't say one way or the other about what I believe Osama was told. What I do believe is that killing others to support the ideals of your 'god' is idiotic, psychotic, and totally delusional. Plain 'ole religious persecution isn't much better. With over 6000 religions in this world, its my belief that most of us will be in for a suprise when we take the big dirt nap. If you're saying to yourself "that won't be me, I know what will happen", you're the one I'm speaking to. ;-)

is this you?

george bush says he talks to god everyday

if I were to say he was talking to god through a hairdryer everyone would think he was a whack job.

i dont understand how the addition of the hairdryer makes is any more absurd.

 

[Mr.Slave]

I love how all the die hard lefties think Fox News channel is a cult I get my "koolaid" from...

And the funny thing is they all think John Stewart is broadcasting the news... funny.



Uh, excuse me, but I believe that's why they call it "Faith". 8)

first of all im not really a leftist.

second of all jon stewart is the man.

and third
faith is ridiculous how someone possibly tell you what happens when you die. unless the answer is rot in the ground, they're out to lunch...

 

[LumTheMad]

One problem with that, only JESUS is ALIVE! "thumbsup"

Are zombies really alive?

 

[CreepyCrawl]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure Domestic tranqulity, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Ahh, memories :roll:

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

is this you?

george bush says he talks to god everyday

if I were to say he was talking to god through a hairdryer everyone would think he was a whack job.

i dont understand how the addition of the hairdryer makes is any more absurd.

lmao...used to be my avatar on another forum...

I would expect that if GB really did talk to God, he would be a slightly different person. A hairdryer as a channel to God, yeah thats absurd. Now if it was a magical flaming hairdryer, it would be much more credible.

Uh, excuse me, but I believe that's why they call it "Faith". 8)

Faith is not absolute truth, it is truth as you percieve it. It does not change the outcome of things.

If a person has faith that a certain thing will happen, and it does, they say "See, that is the power of faith! God has rewarded me!" If it doesn't happen, they say "It was not God's will! He has forseen a better, different path for me! I still win!" Its delusional.

second of all jon stewart is the man.

He is the man. I get more actual info from that show than nearly any other.

 

[ThinkTank]

That should make it that much more interesting then...

And that Jesus never took 10 year old girls as wives.:roll:

Soooo the Pope acted on his own without Gods blessing? I'm pretty sure that if we could ask him, he would say that God told him to.

He could've claim to have God's blessing all he wants, either way you wouldn't believe him right? It's nothing more than propaganda to cover their butts, the same with jihad.

It it means anything, ( which is about as much as Mr.Slave's intelligence) the U.N has stated that they will not accept religion as an excuse for terrorism.
( I mention it because while in the senate Obama passed the most U.N resolutions than anybody else. The wheels against religion are starting to turn.)

me thinks you've been watching too much fox news.

Hey genius, extremists want to destroy America, which includesNORTH AMERICA.Try and use that drugged out brain of yours to find Canada on a map.:roll:

 

[Mr.Slave]

And that Jesus never took 10 year old girls as wives.:roll:



He could've claim to have God's blessing all he wants, either way you wouldn't believe him right? It's nothing more than propaganda to cover their butts, the same with jihad.

It it means anything, ( which is about as much as Mr.Slave's intelligence) the U.N has stated that they will not accept religion as an excuse for terrorism.
( I mention it because while in the senate Obama passed the most U.N resolutions than anybody else. The wheels against religion are starting to turn.)



Hey genius, extremists want to destroy America, which includesNORTH AMERICA.Try and use that drugged out brain of yours to find Canada on a map.:roll:

yeah what? 1000 out of 6 billion?

maybe you should ask yourself WHY they want to destroy America.

on a side note I'm done arguing with you about this, you dont have to suggest That I'm stupid because I have an outside perspective on things.

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

And that Jesus never took 10 year old girls as wives.:roll:

As far as we know, he didn't. The bible's content is heavily edited and biased (after all, they were trying to start a religion).

He could've claim to have God's blessing all he wants, either way you wouldn't believe him right? It's nothing more than propaganda to cover their butts, the same with jihad.

I don't believe anyone when they say that they personally have God's blessing, but most of the time I believe that they believe they do.

It it means anything, ( which is about as much as Mr.Slave's intelligence)

I thought we were having a semi-intelligent conversation here. No need to get personal...

the U.N has stated that they will not accept religion as an excuse for terrorism.

There is no excuse for terrorism. Of course, its only terrorism if you don't believe in the cause.

Hey genius, extremists want to destroy America, which includesNORTH AMERICA.

Extremists want to destroy everything. America just happens to be on the map.

 

[ThinkTank]

maybe you should ask yourself WHY they want to destroy America.

It is very simple, they are INSANE.

on a side note I'm done arguing with you about this, you dont have to suggest That I'm stupid because I have an outside perspective on things.

Then quit acting like a dufus all the time."thumbsup"

As far as we know, he didn't. The bible's content is heavily edited and biased (after all, they were trying to start a religion).

What sort of bias edited content are you referring to?

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

What sort of bias edited content are you referring to?

Well its kind of hard to say what isn't in the bible because, well, its not in there.

Both the old and new testament were assembled by a commitee of men. In the interest of thier faith and with mankinds supreme falibility, logic dictates that they wouldn't include damaging material. They also had a nasty habit of killing heretics and destroying any "propaganda" that wasn't in line with Christianity. If they couldn't kill 'em they would do their best to discredit them.

It comes down to a "he said this but I said that" deal.

Considering that the Old Testament's contents were handed down over several hundred years by mouth and occasionally on paper, translated many times by many people, and had many authors before the first edition was put forth, its credibility is very suspect.

The New Testament was written many years after JC's death, and the submissions for it were only accepted if the material came from apostles or those close to them. That sounds a little biased to me.


As far as JC hisself goes...in his time he was but one of many that claimed to be a direct link to God. If they were boy bands, he'd be a Menudo or NKOTB. Just because he rose to fame didn't make him the truth, only the most popular.

 

[ThinkTank]

Well its kind of hard to say what isn't in the bible because, well, its not in there.

Both the old and new testament were assembled by a commitee of men. In the interest of thier faith and with mankinds supreme falibility, logic dictates that they wouldn't include damaging material. [/quote]

The only group of men who actually censored anything were the Pharisees and Sadducee's. The Church later continued the trend by censoring out God's name.

I am referring to the bible writers here:

On removing "damaging" material, there are numerous accounts in the Bible of serious mistakes.
King David had an affair with another woman, on some occasions the nation of Israel would sacrifice their children to false gods, Israelites were cheating and defrauding their brothers, and the list goes on.

They could have removed all this "material" in effort to look spotless.

They also had a nasty habit of killing heretics and destroying any "propaganda" that wasn't in line with Christianity. If they couldn't kill 'em they would do their best to discredit them.

That was the Church. All their bloodshed has not gone unnoticed.(Revelation 17:3-6,15-17)

It comes down to a "he said this but I said that" deal.

Considering that the Old Testament's contents were handed down over several hundred years by mouth and occasionally on paper, translated many times by many people, and had many authors before the first edition was put forth, its credibility is very suspect.

Occasionally by Paper? There are many scolls proven to be authentic.
By the 1st Century, Christians already had the Codex which was the old testament.

The reason why it took so long for the whole Bible to be printed is once again, the Church was opposed to making a whole Bible available to people.

Despite the many contributors, the Bible contains the same theme: God's kingdom, from Genesis to Revelation. If it were a hoax, how could they keep the farce up for so long?

The New Testament was written many years after JC's death, and the submissions for it were only accepted if the material came from apostles or those close to them. That sounds a little biased to me.

... Because they ( the Apostles ) were close to him.
As for censorship, Peter denied Jesus 3 times, you can read that Matthew 26:69-75. How would they benefit from censoring things? The Pharisees' and Sadducees' had all the power to lose.

As far as JC hisself goes...in his time he was but one of many that claimed to be a direct link to God. If they were boy bands, he'd be a Menudo or NKOTB. Just because he rose to fame didn't make him the truth, only the most popular.

Your right on the false messiahs, you can read that at Matthew 24:23-25. So what would prove that he is the Son of God? His actions and what he promoted:

He was given the opportunity for political power, which he refused.
(John 6:14-15) (Luke 4:5-6)

He condemned the use of violence. (Matthew 26:52)
He condemned the Pharisee's for being hypocrites on failing to teach the important matters of the Mosaic Law to the people. (Matthew 23:23)

He promoted to seek spiritual needs rather than riches. (Matthew 6:33)
He does not speak of his own originality. (John 7:16-18) <--- I am not sure why that smiley is there.. I tried to edit it out but no luck.


The truth is that Christianity has failed to live up their claims, not Jesus or God.

 

[DUDE]

is this you?

no that would be me. :lol::lol:

 

[Duuuuuuuude]

The only group of men who actually censored anything were the Pharisees and Sadducee's. The Church later continued the trend by censoring out God's name.

I am referring to the bible writers here:

On removing "damaging" material, there are numerous accounts in the Bible of serious mistakes....They could have removed all this "material" in effort to look spotless.

The only mistakes made were those of men, so those could be considered lessons. You can't have a good book without a little drama.

That was the Church. All their bloodshed has not gone unnoticed.(Revelation 17:3-6,15-17)

There are stories of those that have killed in Gods name, who claim to have been told to do so directly without prior authorization from the church. But it seems to me that yes, the church did the worst of it. And yes, they seem to have learned thier lesson. Or maybe they felt it wasn't the way to get people in the pews.

Occasionally by Paper? There are many scolls proven to be authentic.
By the 1st Century, Christians already had the Codex which was the old testament.

I was speaking of the old testament, not the new. Most of the info was passed on by word through the generations, and later recorded in writing.

The reason why it took so long for the whole Bible to be printed is once again, the Church was opposed to making a whole Bible available to people.

I don't know if that is the sole reason, but it certainly is a good one. Giving people information like that opens up all kinds of doors for interpretation, hence the many current forms of Christianity we have today. Had they continued to rely only upon officially trained clergy to spread and teach the word of God instead of mass producing a book and leaving its lessons somewhat unguided for the people, its safe to assume that things would be clearly different today.

Despite the many contributors, the Bible contains the same theme: God's kingdom, from Genesis to Revelation.

Of course it has the same theme, that is what its about. You wouldn't have a chapter on cooking eggs over easy in an auto repair manual...

If it were a hoax, how could they keep the farce up for so long?

Faith, fear, heavy market saturation, and careful assemblage.

... Because they ( the Apostles ) were close to him.
As for censorship, Peter denied Jesus 3 times, you can read that Matthew 26:69-75. How would they benefit from censoring things? The Pharisees' and Sadducees' had all the power to lose.

Again, that is the folly of man, not the claimed rightousness of their messiah. Who would follow someone who claimed to be the true son of God if he were a thief, adulterer, drunkard, hypocrit, or lier?

Your right on the false messiahs, you can read that at Matthew 24:23-25. So what would prove that he is the Son of God? His actions and what he promoted:

He was given the opportunity for political power, which he refused.
(John 6:14-15) (Luke 4:5-6)
He condemned the use of violence. (Matthew 26:52)
He condemned the Pharisee's for being hypocrites on failing to teach the important matters of the Mosaic Law to the people. (Matthew 23:23)
He promoted to seek spiritual needs rather than riches. (Matthew 6:33)
He does not speak of his own originality. (John 7:16-18) <--- I am not sure why that smiley is there.. I tried to edit it out but no luck.

False messiahs are only false if you don't believe in them. Same goes for prophets, gods, idols, etc. JC was seen as false too, but not by those that followed him.

As far the actions and promotions that you listed, while they certainly were what the people needed to haul them up out of their oppresive lives, I wouldn't say that they prove anything. I personally have the same ideals. What does that make me? A follower of Christ? The son of God? A hippie nutjob who's got his sandals too tight?

The truth is that Christianity has failed to live up their claims, not Jesus or God.

You can't really say that the Christians have failed. Untill their time has run out, they still have a chance to make good on their claims, same as all other religions. We really won't know anything untill the party is over, the floor is swept, the lights are out, and the doors are locked.

I always get a chuckle when people put a timeline on God. If He really is eternal, a schedule seems kind of moot, doesn't it? Being everywhere at all times gives you the advantage of doing what you need to do when you need to do it.

no that would be me. :lol::lol:

Hey hey, its my brother from another mother!

 

[JeremyH]

Obama wants to sit down and have a heart to heart chat with these people, and thinks they'll play nice? He can't really be that stupid..... can he? :shock:

Too bad that they dont want anything to do with him....and actually have already publically expressed their hatred for him.