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"change" in homeownership obama style

JIA's Dad

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Don't want to be bothered with "Political stuff?" <o:p></o:p>
If you are a home/condo owner, you'd better read this one!It will come as a huge shock! You must be informed as to what Obama is up to as it has already passed one hurdle. It will take very little now to put it into actual law!! WAKE UP <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">AMERICA</st1:place></st1:country-region> !!!!<o:p></o:p>


So you think you live in a "free" country? Boy, have you got a surprise coming!

A License Required for your HOUSE?
If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this email are Google links to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this as it may severely affect buying and selling of homes in the future.

We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives (HR2454) and are being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Washington</st1:place></st1:state> ! It appears that this Congress and their "experts" can destroy the middle class of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.A.</st1:place></st1:country-region>

A License will be required for your house. ...No longer just for cars and mobile homes. Thinking about selling your house? Take a look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill).
Beginning one year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this "Cap & Trade" bill, passed by the House of Representatives. If it is also passed by the Senate,
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<o:p></o:p>The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure that these voters will get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house without an approval, some bureaucrat's OK. Yes, you read that right.
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The caveat (there always is a caveat) is that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.<o:p></o:p>


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To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be required to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act, to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.<o:p></o:p>


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Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. <o:p></o:p>


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And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress. Then, the Administrator can set new standards every year.<o:p></o:p>


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The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 - Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region> . <o:p></o:p>


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Beginning one year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with its energy and water efficiency standards. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (expen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, great!<o:p></o:p>


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The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (that includes YOU?) and prevent you from qualifying for the grants. <o:p></o:p>


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Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in." Sect. 204 - Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">U.S.</st1:place></st1:country-region> must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help the EPA. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year...

Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.
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But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:state> ? It would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate. <o:p></o:p>


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Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 - Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that one year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

CHECK OUT a few of the sites IN THE NEXT POST
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Speaking of Energy Star:

t was recently revealed the U.S. Energy Star endorsement was granted to a number of bogus appliances, including a gasoline-powered alarm clock and an "air purifier" that was really an electric space heater with a feather duster stuck to it.

http://www.greenlivingtips.com/blogs/500/Energy-Star-fraud.html

If the same officials are running the homeowner program, we can all rest easy. They're obviously easy to fool.
 

So did you take the time to read any of these links? You should. This one has a summary of the bill. I read it.

There is no mention of forced retrofit for all. They are talking about building codes and efficiency standards for new and recently (and similarly) built structures. How many homes currently in use do not meet todays building codes? Alot. Do you see the government knocking on your door demanding that you update? No. Do you see them demanding that the middle class foot the bill? No.

If you own a manufactured home build before 1976 you get $7600 towards the purchase of a new Energy Star approved home. Kind of like a "Cash for Clunkers" deal for hillbillies. If you want to continue to live in your old trailer, by all means do so.


There is no mention of licencing your home.


I'm gonna give you guys a tip. Next time someone taps you on the shoulder and says "BOO!", don't shit your pants untill you look around and know its really something you should be worried about. "thumbsup"
 
I appreciate you giving us this information. I find it near impossible, to read dark text against a dark backround without getting a wicked headache and my eyes getting all crossed up, Oh well, maybe it's some "special code" kind of thing only meant for certain people. LOL whatever! thanks anyway.
 
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Sorry the text doesn't bother me I'm color blind:lmao:

I will say I only hit the high lights on this and didn't read all links. It was an e-mail sent to me by a friend.:ror:

I can handle the shit guys, so dish on me all you want. I'm thick skinned. We are all still Phucked in the long run. Wait and see!!!
 
I will say I only hit the high lights on this and didn't read all links. It was an e-mail sent to me by a friend.:ror:

I can handle the shit guys, so dish on me all you want. I'm thick skinned. We are all still Phucked in the long run. Wait and see!!!


We're not fawked yet, so don't give up. And don't circulate crap like this. :ror:

Also, I wanted to get my digs in before Dezfan got here and started flaming Obama again. :mrgreen:
 
at the end of the day you cant blame everything on obama. you have to blame the stupid people you elect into congress, senate and city officials. i just started raising a whole lot of hell at city meetings due to the fact they just spend $18,000 for sculptures to come visit the town for 3 weeks. the city next to me just spend $80,000 on a new sculpture for city hall but the same city just also closed down an entire school and fired over a dozen teachers. lord knows we need a sculpture more than we need to give our children a descent education, but they had to spend the money or they wouldnt have had the money next year in their account to pointlessly waste on something we dont need. our country isnt going to hell because of one guy its going to hell because of the smaller people who are spending the money in stupid ways. the other way they control us is with the electoral college. if you dont vote with the majority your vote doesnt count at all. if i dont vote with the majority of my section my vote no longer counts and if i do happen to vote with the majority of my section and no with the majority of the state, again my vote no longer counts. we need to go to a legit system where every single vote is made to count equal to every other vote, then maybe we wouldnt have had to suffer for 8 years under the bush regime.
 
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Obama cant do crap without all the morons in the other branches of government , if congress had a republican majority very few of the current things the democrats have thrown out there would have been passed. The whole idea of separated powers is that one branch had no more control than the next, if they are all run by the same people then its not really separation of powers. Its more like our current form of government, whatever it is.... Even better if we had decent government officials then we wouldn't have to worry about separation of powers, but society needed a place for all the people that had low morals so these people became politicians.

Duuuuuuuuuuude while it seems that the article keeps pointing to the not entirely true statement that you have to get a license. You do need a license to sell the house, if you plan to die in the house then your fine you will never have to worry. But if you sell it then prepare to to have your butt probed by the energy efficient contractors. If you have to make the upgrades to sell your house then the installers can charge much higher prices knowing that most people will pull out a home equity loan and just spend it all. Credit card debit is the problem it is for many people because they think i can buy this now and pay later but that pita called interest is what kills people.

I think you will also see more people walking away from their mortgage and home, after seeing the prospects of spending thousands just to get their home ready to sell then all the money to actually sell their house. Some people may be able install this stuff them self but i would imagine that a special license will be required by the contractor to preform these "upgrades." Thus keeping people from making these changes themselves and at much lower costs. This would, as the bill says, create jobs... but at the same time construction will slow way down and lose more jobs than it would create.

Thats my opinion, so have fun with it 8)
 
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Obama cant do crap without all the morons in the other branches of government , if congress had a republican majority very few of the current things the democrats have thrown out there would have been passed.....Even better if we had decent government officials then we wouldn't have to worry about separation of powers, but society needed a place for all the people that had low morals so these people became politicians.

First, its is absolutely true that if there were more Republicans in our current government that the Dems would be having a much tougher time pushing their agendas. The thing you have to wonder about is...would they be knocking down Democratic bills because they were potentialy harmful to the citizens of our nation, or because they are pandering to their own party.

Secondly, I would like to see a law passed that any person currently holding or running for office be banned from any government position (at ANY level) if they are witnessed speaking non-truth in public *cough*Palin*cough*"obama death squads"* cough*. We expect our elected officials to hold some level of honesty and integrity, and it really is sad to see the GOP and its fanboys flinging their own poo and whipping out their little dicks to piss on the Dems shoes at every opportunity. Its damaging to themselves, their party, and more importantly, this country.


Duuuuuuuuuuude while it seems that the article keeps pointing to the not entirely true statement that you have to get a license. You do need a license to sell the house, if you plan to die in the house then your fine you will never have to worry. But if you sell it then prepare to to have your butt probed by the energy efficient contractors. If you have to make the upgrades to sell your house then the installers can charge much higher prices knowing that most people will pull out a home equity loan and just spend it all. Credit card debit is the problem it is for many people because they think i can buy this now and pay later but that pita called interest is what kills people.

The article that started this whole debacle stated that you would have to licence and register your house like you would your car, with periodical inspections to keep things in check.

I'll have to re-read, but I doubt they'd be able to retro-enforce older homes who cannot meet the standard. If i recall, the ideal number was 20% reduction in energy costs for average households. That doesn't mean you have to invest in $20k worth of solar panels, only keep an eye on your consumption. Like I said though, I'll have to go re-read.

As far as I am aware, you do not have to bring an older building up to code unless you are doing renovations or repairs which would bring you into direct contact with the item in question. My parents just finished rebuilding thier 600 sqft cabin (it was flooded) and had to have the wiring redone, and was done to current code (even though it was waaaaaaaay overkill for that little place). They bought it nearly as it was when it was build in the 50's, and it still had the original wiring in the walls.

Now if its a safety issue (fire hazzard, asbestos, etc) then yes, you generally do have to either repair the issue or make sure the situation is disclosed to any potential buyer.

I think you will also see more people walking away from their mortgage and home, after seeing the prospects of spending thousands just to get their home ready to sell then all the money to actually sell their house. Some people may be able install this stuff them self but i would imagine that a special license will be required by the contractor to preform these "upgrades." Thus keeping people from making these changes themselves and at much lower costs. This would, as the bill says, create jobs... but at the same time construction will slow way down and lose more jobs than it would create.

Thats my opinion, so have fun with it 8)

There are many simple things you can do to make a house more energy efficient, but there are just as many that you would probably need a contractor for anyway, like you would now. I doubt too much would change in that respect under this new bill if it passes. The only extra step you'd have to do would be to call the inspector to come check your work, which you still have to do now with nearly any kind of home reconstruction or remodeling.



Yes we are!

And fawk Barry!:flipoff:


No Dez, fawk 'em all. Fawk 'em all.
 
Just for the record, one of the first steps for home efficiency improvement was, the government allowing a maximum of $1,500./or 30% of cost for upgrades (windows, furnaces, etc.)to your houses which met efficiency requirements. This was a deduction available on taxes this year and I think it has been extended thru next year. I'm not real sure on the exact closure date for this. But you guys who own your own homes should check into it if you need to do any upgrades. The deduction is a bottom line changer!!!:roll:
 
Duuuuuuuuuude i do not disagree with you on the politicians argument, i was showing the stupidity that are government is showing. The republicans will shoot down bills because the democrats introduced it. The democrats will shoot down a republican bill because well its a republican bill. Its all about winning for our politicians, they dont play by the rules and that is partly why we are in the crap we are in.

Both party's are guilty of poo slinging, both are full of morons and both have been in power to many times to be effective anymore. Many of the voters in our country are to lazy to research there candidate, instead they see what the politicians want them to see.
 
Duuuuuuuuuude i do not disagree with you on the politicians argument, i was showing the stupidity that are government is showing. The republicans will shoot down bills because the democrats introduced it. The democrats will shoot down a republican bill because well its a republican bill. Its all about winning for our politicians, they dont play by the rules and that is partly why we are in the crap we are in.

Both party's are guilty of poo slinging, both are full of morons and both have been in power to many times to be effective anymore. Many of the voters in our country are to lazy to research there candidate, instead they see what the politicians want them to see.

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Paul Atreides in 2012!!!

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