Bodyless chat...AM I THE ONLY GUY?

[binaryterror]

I prefer bodiless for comps

Try getting 2 repair penalties on 2 courses and then a DNF after the body breaks off again.

 

[rock hard]

I just don't see any reason that the rules NEED to be different between the two. I run bodied because I like bodies. I've ran both and just like the way the bodied rigs look. As far as advantages..... meh... Both have their own, but not enough to make me justify one over the other.

I just don't see the reasoning behind the dimension rules on them though.:roll:

Oh well. no biggie to me though.

Its pretty simple to me

In the begining the bodiless trucks was all tubers

It makes sense to allow them to run a smaller chassis for 2 reasons

One it helped the metal tubers get thier C.O.G. down
If a metal tuber had to keep same dimmensions it wouldnt climb a curb

second,most 1:1 tubers are smaller than thier 1:1 bodied couterparts
allowing the smaller dimensions only seams logical to me.

Now people have figured out how to use new materials

The real key is unibody
there are NO deminsion requirements for a unibody rig
only that the roof should be raised to resemble a 1:1 rig

Take a solid piece of delrin and cnc a complete chassis from it

There is nothing in the rules that say it must be solid either.
It could be riddled with holes,completely open sides,ect.

It just has to be made from a solid material,and have raised roof,and should resemble a 1:1

 

[rock hard]

and the rules evolved alright....they made our dimensions larger (by not using bumpers and shocks as measuring points)

Is this a new rule change?
The current rules allow the use of bumpers

rule 2.1.4.1.6 says shocks,ect cant be used in measurements
but rule 2.1.4.1.7 says bumpers,side rails,ect can

So is this a change we are about to see?

.......

 

[monkeyracer]

I had a thread a while back asking about the difference in the dimensions between bodies and bodiless rigs, and the answer (paraphrased) was that the size difference helps outweigh advantages and disadvantages between the two styles. If you want bodiless, you are going to get a skinnier width but a taller profile, it's a give and take.

The rules originally came from guys scratch building tube chassis and wanting to run them in comps. At the time, the rules didn't account for this style of rig, so the bodiless rules came out. Since then, vendors and others started to make similar style rigs from flat plate aluminum, delrin, and lexan, and the closest set of rules was the tube chassis style rigs, so they were allowed in. About 2 years ago, popularity for these increased and now more people are running bodiless.

For me, it's a driving style preference; I like low rigs, so I run droop suspension with a bodiless chassis (when I was in the comp scene, looking to get back in the game soon though) and I wanted something unique. Not really anyone else in the Colorado comps was running bodiless, so I decided to run one.

Whether or not you might think they are ugly, everyone has their opinion. I have seen some ugly hacked up bodies, and seen the custom painted ones that I would be afraid to scratch up.

 

[Speedracer19]

The real key is unibody
there are NO deminsion requirements for a unibody rig
only that the roof should be raised to resemble a 1:1 rig

Take a solid piece of delrin and cnc a complete chassis from it

There is nothing in the rules that say it must be solid either.
It could be riddled with holes,completely open sides,ect.

It just has to be made from a solid material,and have raised roof,and should resemble a 1:1

Plus all the weight & money you will save by not having any nuts, screws/bolts, & washers to fasten' it together with :shock:

 

[rock hard]

Plus all the weight & money you will save by not having any nuts, screws/bolts, & washers to fasten' it together with :shock:

actually,I'm thinking a unibody is gonna be WAY more expensive than a chassis.

I'm looking at 3 ways,but the best looking and performing will be the carbon IMO

1. my cousin owns a mchine shop,I can get with him and make it happen
using some delrin and his cnc
but we live 4 hrs apart,and he isntth easiest person to deal with(schedule wise)

2. make a chassis out of thin delrin,intead of bolting the chassis for assemblt
glue it. Then find someone to hand lay carbon fiber over the entire chassis.

This is gonna be for a 1.9 so I think it'll hold up,but EXPENSIVE

Also could use thin sq alum/plastic tube,cut shape,then trim for a cab and push it out some
the rule dont say how much the roof on a unibody must rise,just that it must be raised.

 

[jwalker]

I prefer bodiless for comps

Try getting 2 repair penalties on 2 courses and then a DNF after the body breaks off again.

i have seen more panels fall off the rig than bodies. i have never had the problem of haveing a body come off my rig and i put them through hell. the panels have a better chance of coming off because there are small screws or zipties that hold the panels to the chassis plus there are more edges to get caught on rocks that would help the panels to fail. just my opinion but i like bodies better but each person is there own.

 

[JOYSTICK]

bodies for life for me, win or loose. but like it was said in here iwould like to see the rules for the bodys size to be lessened by 3/4 inch. just so u can trim alittle hear or there and not have to worry about being out of spec by 1/4 INCH. as far as a evolotion ithink thats happening every week with crawling so it would only make sense to hear what the body owning crawlers want:mrgreen: and make the changes needed. or maybe the tuber chassis dealers would be worried about loosing business. just sayin"thumbsup"

 

[generalee7]

I still have yet to find a bodiless chassis that I like so I'm running bodies "thumbsup" I understand they function well but I just can't get over the fact that it looks like a set of axles and tires, bodiless chassis are just tiny. I like a clean, slim-line, nicely painted lexan body. Axials Hardline is exactly what I like, even the old school Losi Grappler body looks really good, IMO.

 

[JeremyH]

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No....we used to be able to use the shock mounting points to measure width. Meaning, I could build a 2.5" wide chassis, and place one 1/4" spacer at each shock mount to get the necessary 3" width. The last sentence in rule 2.1.4.1.7 did not exist in the 2009 rules...

 

[ClassicGMJunkie]

my super shafty is a tuber and now my sportsman is changed over to a TCS Edge. i prefer the lack of needing to paint lots of bodies just to scratch them to hell in rollovers, that and the tuber is skinnier letting you squeeze thru some crazy lines that a body might hang up on. my mrc, i think will stay bodied just for the sake of electronics room till i downsize a few things.

 

[Harley]

The real key is unibody
there are NO deminsion requirements for a unibody rig
only that the roof should be raised to resemble a 1:1 rig

Take a solid piece of delrin and cnc a complete chassis from it

There is nothing in the rules that say it must be solid either.
It could be riddled with holes,completely open sides,ect.

It just has to be made from a solid material,and have raised roof,and should resemble a 1:1

Whom ever your reading comprehension teacher in school was needs to be beat with a tire iron, or you need to stop trying to look for loop holes. A unibody is a BODILESS chassis for fuk sake. Ask yourself this, "does it run a body?" if no then it's BODILESS! you can also see this in the RULES as unibody is 2.1.4.2 which is a subset of 2.1.4 aka BODILESS. Therefore all BODILESS dimensions must be met.

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Whom ever your reading comprehension teacher in school was needs to be beat with a tire iron, or you need to stop trying to look for loop holes. A unibody is a BODILESS chassis for fuk sake. Ask yourself this, "does it run a body?" if no then it's BODILESS! you can also see this in the RULES as unibody is 2.1.4.2 which is a subset of 2.1.4 aka BODILESS. Therefore all BODILESS dimensions must be met.

Dam you Harley, I was waiting for him to get done with it and then tell him.:ror:

 

[Harley]

Dam you Harley, I was waiting for him to get done with it and then tell him.:ror:

:lmao:

 

[EGRESSor]

i like the bodyless ones

a tuber is as hot as a bikini babe
those things with lexan shells are hot like Angela Merkel in an igloo :roll:

 

[rock hard]

Whom ever your reading comprehension teacher in school was needs to be beat with a tire iron, or you need to stop trying to look for loop holes. A unibody is a BODILESS chassis for fuk sake. Ask yourself this, "does it run a body?" if no then it's BODILESS! you can also see this in the RULES as unibody is 2.1.4.2 which is a subset of 2.1.4 aka BODILESS. Therefore all BODILESS dimensions must be met.

wrong

 

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

wrong

The rule's intent is to have the same measurements as a bodiless rig or a bodied rig wouldn't you think. If not , you are painting your own gray areas.

 

[rock hard]

bodies rules are

2.1.4.1

and all ruloes that pertain to bodieless follow

2.1.4.1.1
2.1.4.1.2
2.1.4.1.3
2.1.4.1.4
2.1.4.1.5
2.1.4.1.6
2.1.4.1.7

unibody is a new subject
the word unibody is highlighted
same as body and bodiless

the rule is
2.1.4.2

there is no 2.1.4.2.1 cuz there are NO additional rules for this body style
Though this is under the same section of 4's
this is a new section under 4's by the 2

and there is no mention of a chassis in unibody,nor panels
further more,unibody is mentioned AFTER rule 2.1.4.1.7
meaning those measurements DO NOT apply

 

[ol' gravy leg]

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[rock hard]

The rule's intent is to have the same measurements as a bodiless rig or a bodied rig wouldn't you think. If not , you are painting your own gray areas.

Nope,
its in its own section,its mentioned after the measurments of a bodiless
why would you assume the measurements for one sytyle of body apply to
ANOTHER stlye of body?

Its not a BODILESS,its a UNIBODY,so it infact has a BODY,and that body is one with the chassis,its unlike the previously mentions body styles and to assume its measurements must be same as iether above IMO is painting your own grey

I cant help it,thats what the rules are

There are 3 body styles
only 2 have I ever seen on a course
there are only measurments for 2 of those bodystyles
and it would be a HUGE assumption that the rules for one body type applied to another IMO