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what are the + and - of going brushless
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Chadworkz
Pebble Pounder
Brushed motors are smoother, have better control, and are just superior to brushless motors in crawlers. I am sure someone else will chime in with some more technical reasons why brushed is better than brushless when in rock crawlers.
TattooKenny
Who's your Daddy-0!
I own both in my crawlers. In one of my 1.9's I have the Novak Goat Brushless set up, in one of my comp 2.2's I have the Novak Rooster Crawler with a Novak 55-50 combo, in my other comp 2.2 I have a Mamba Max with a Holmes Hobbies 7T Puller. My Novak Goat is just a "Smooth" as my brushed 55-50! But with my brushless I have a ton more wheel speed, more power, longer run times. Everybody has there own driving style that will decide what is better for them. To say that a Brushed motor is "Superior" to a Brushless motor is crazy:roll: If they were we sure as hell wouldn't spend the extra $ for a brushless if that were the case! And a brushless will out last a brushed by a long shot without ever having to rebuild it other than lube up the bearings! Do some research before you say things you don't know about. I'm sure you have never had a brushless in a crawler before have you:roll:
Chadworkz
Pebble Pounder
You are correct, sir...I was simply going off of everything I have read in these forums, about brushed motors being better in crawlers.
One-eyed Jack
Pebble Pounder
Awfully quick to bash someone for their opinion. Based on the number of "Brushed" that you run it would appear that you agree with him.
dpdsurf
I wanna be Dave
It's important to remember that a sensored brushless system (like the goat) is pretty much a must when going brushless in a crawler. But a nice hand wound brushed 35T - 45T is my preferance (and many others) for comp rigs. You just can't beat their low end fine throttle response when you're making your way though gates. Maintainance and longevity of the motor are pretty much a non-issue in the crawling world. But I have to admit that I have never competed with a brushless motor so all the power to those who do and like it. But you won't convince me the extra money is worth it. Don't even get me started on Novak's ESC's and the fact that they are not rated to handle 3S lipos.
hitman46mod
RCC Addict
Not to mention a brushless motor doesn't make all the noise.:roll:
MM beedop, MMMM beedop, MMMMMMM beedop.:x
Get an ESC that can do both then get (IMHO a 45t is a great first choice for a comp rig or basher lots of torque and wheel speed.) a 45t brushed then if you get a chance barrow a brushless motor, get something about 1000 to 1200 KV."thumbsup"
MM beedop, MMMM beedop, MMMMMMM beedop.:x
Get an ESC that can do both then get (IMHO a 45t is a great first choice for a comp rig or basher lots of torque and wheel speed.) a 45t brushed then if you get a chance barrow a brushless motor, get something about 1000 to 1200 KV."thumbsup"
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Chadworkz
Pebble Pounder
This is my opinion...when you line up both motors, and write down the pros and cons of each, the brushed motor has more checkmarks in the pros category, and less checkmarks in the cons category. I also think a brushed motor is better for a beginner crawler, and I also think a brushed motor is better in most competition rigs...but again, that's just my opinion.
No, Kenny, I have never run a brushless motor in a crawler...but I have read this entire message board, and many others as well, and they all say pretty much the same thing...that brushed motors are better in crawlers, in most situations. Sure, there are people who prefer brushless motors in their crawler, and you may be one of them, but that's just your preference and opinion...not law.
thriller wanted to get some input on brushed & brushless motors for his crawler...
I said this...
...and then you just blew up on me, criticizing & flaming me for expressing my opinion...
No, Kenny, I have never run a brushless motor in a crawler...but I have read this entire message board, and many others as well, and they all say pretty much the same thing...that brushed motors are better in crawlers, in most situations. Sure, there are people who prefer brushless motors in their crawler, and you may be one of them, but that's just your preference and opinion...not law.
thriller wanted to get some input on brushed & brushless motors for his crawler...
...so I gave him my input, which was based on the *pseudo research* I had done, consisting of thoroughly & completely reading this message board, and many others...as well as my own personal experience with brushed motors.thriller said:
I said this...
Chadworkz said:
...and then you just blew up on me, criticizing & flaming me for expressing my opinion...
It is my opinion that brushed motors are superior to brushless motors in most crawlers & situation. Do some research? Pssshhhh, like I said...I have thoroughly & completely read this entire message board, as well as many others, not to mention the fact that I have over 26 years of personal experience with brushed motors, in all kinds of different vehicles. I also have a couple years of personal experience with brushless motors, in vehicles that I want to go fast, just no personal experience with brushless motors in crawlers...but that doesn't mean I don't have any experience at all with brushless motors in crawlers...I have lots of experience, through other people's experiences, facts, & opinions, and a brain that is full of common sense, and other "smarts" & stuff. Trust me, dude, I know about a lot of R/C related stuff, so I can say whatever I want, whenever I want, if I know about the topic and/or question...if I don't know anything about the topic or question, I won't reply...it's as simple as that. And me never having run a brushless motor in a crawler has no bearing on what I said, or my opinion in general, because having researched something thoroughly gives you the right to voice your opinion, and a very accurate one at that.TattooKenny said:
WOW! take it easy guys....
i have both. the brushless (novak goat) at low speed is just as good as my brushed (rooster crawler) set-up. it does have a different throttle curve to it, which makes it "feel" different, but i have no complaints and like it just as much.
i have both. the brushless (novak goat) at low speed is just as good as my brushed (rooster crawler) set-up. it does have a different throttle curve to it, which makes it "feel" different, but i have no complaints and like it just as much.
Simeone190
Newbie
i was wondering what would be better for my first crawler as well and i guess im going to go with the brushed motor as i am a begining crawler.. and dont have the money for brushless :lol:
dorji
Quarry Creeper
I am new to crawling but everything else I do with rc is brushless. I was told brushless was not really needed for crawling. So I would like to get your input either good or bad, thanks
In my opinion, brush-less is not needed, but it is nice. It may cost a little more, but you end up with greater run times, and less maintenance. Personally I run a HH 35t hand wound, which I love, but it really comes down to your driving style and what you can afford. Neither one is superior, they will both get the job done. But for a beginner, try out other peoples trucks at comps. or a get together and see which one you like."thumbsup"
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I just looked at HH website, and he has a few brush-less motors that are comparable price to a nice hand wound brushed motor.
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Toughbeard
Rock Stacker
well I have run both brushed and brushless (sensored and sensorless) not in crawlers but in Touring cars. please mind that I used around 10T to 6T for brushed and 3.5 to 5.5 for brushless sensored. Sensorless I tried out runners, and sensorless motors and tried some sensored motors with out sensor wires (I know I know to much sensor written in that sentence)
again please note that I use forward only.
I use a LRP tc Spec, Ko Propo VFS (molac) and Tekin R1 Pro (yuck!)
now, The Lrp is really smooth. It is very fast down the straight away and very efficient. I know ther are alot of novak lovers out. I love the orange color too, but thats where my love ends. THe LRP is simply better. now I never used the CC esc so I can not make a comparison, but I hear it is not legal for sanctioned races.
Ko is very smooth and I have passed alot of brushless guys with it, but I can not pass myself... I have broke every lap record I have and pulled them down at least a second. and the maintance issue is great for touring. but fro crawlers I think this is no issue. I checked my 55T motor and ti was hardly scratched.
Sensorless is I think only good for planes, helis and non precision stuff. back yard bashing etc. The low end is absolutely unpredictable. it chatters goes back and forth. you need some large motors that know where they are going for brushless. or outrunners. I run my r1 pro and I am sure its because of the esc more then sensorless motors but for me sensorless is a looser on any car I use besides backyard bashers. well ofcourse you but a 3S lipo and a high torque big arse motor next to the R1, then its a different issue. it is a great 1/8 buggy conversion esc imo but thats it.
for crawling I would use a brushless ESC with a brushed motor I think. or a KO brushed ESC. ( KO has insane brakes ) but brusheless ESC's are real great because you can set the braking power from crawling. I do not know if there is an outrunner with sensor but that would be interesting to test out.
If I were to use brushless, I think I would prefer a 17.5 or higher and use high to medium gear ratio to create the torque and use 3S and if possible limit the esc power out put. the low end control on the LRP is so nice I dont think it will be a problem to control the car.
I will test these hopefully next week. (my car is on its way.)
just my 2c
again please note that I use forward only.
I use a LRP tc Spec, Ko Propo VFS (molac) and Tekin R1 Pro (yuck!)
now, The Lrp is really smooth. It is very fast down the straight away and very efficient. I know ther are alot of novak lovers out. I love the orange color too, but thats where my love ends. THe LRP is simply better. now I never used the CC esc so I can not make a comparison, but I hear it is not legal for sanctioned races.
Ko is very smooth and I have passed alot of brushless guys with it, but I can not pass myself... I have broke every lap record I have and pulled them down at least a second. and the maintance issue is great for touring. but fro crawlers I think this is no issue. I checked my 55T motor and ti was hardly scratched.
Sensorless is I think only good for planes, helis and non precision stuff. back yard bashing etc. The low end is absolutely unpredictable. it chatters goes back and forth. you need some large motors that know where they are going for brushless. or outrunners. I run my r1 pro and I am sure its because of the esc more then sensorless motors but for me sensorless is a looser on any car I use besides backyard bashers. well ofcourse you but a 3S lipo and a high torque big arse motor next to the R1, then its a different issue. it is a great 1/8 buggy conversion esc imo but thats it.
for crawling I would use a brushless ESC with a brushed motor I think. or a KO brushed ESC. ( KO has insane brakes
) but brusheless ESC's are real great because you can set the braking power from crawling. I do not know if there is an outrunner with sensor but that would be interesting to test out. If I were to use brushless, I think I would prefer a 17.5 or higher and use high to medium gear ratio to create the torque and use 3S and if possible limit the esc power out put. the low end control on the LRP is so nice I dont think it will be a problem to control the car.
I will test these hopefully next week. (my car is on its way.)
just my 2c
jmz6
Rock Crawler
Just my $0.02
I have both brushed and brushless crawlers, I run brushless in my comp rigs and brushed in my fun rigs & scalers. Both are good, but for my driving style I like brushless for comps. I wouldn't say that one is better than the other, only that some peoples driving style make either one work better for them. Buy a good ESC that can handle both brushed & brushless, try both and see for yourself.
I have both brushed and brushless crawlers, I run brushless in my comp rigs and brushed in my fun rigs & scalers. Both are good, but for my driving style I like brushless for comps. I wouldn't say that one is better than the other, only that some peoples driving style make either one work better for them. Buy a good ESC that can handle both brushed & brushless, try both and see for yourself.
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treday619
Rock Crawler
It all comes down to personal preference and again as everyone else has said driving style. I have a Goat system and love it but my reason is I like Maintenance free. All my RC's have CC Brushless systems. Too bad CC has not made a Crawler specific motor yet or I would purchase it. In terms of longevity, Wheel Speed and Torque I feel Brushless are great but that is my opinion. Just my .02
Chadworkz
Pebble Pounder
Exactly, EeePee! 
treday619
Rock Crawler
X2 Great way to explain it "thumbsup""thumbsup" Take it from someone who has been around a while
i have drove both i like the brushed. if you want wheel speed. i would go with a puller 7T the are killer. they seam almost like a hybrid to me. lots of low speed control and torque then if you put your finger into it you can have all the wheel speed you want. but that is my $.02
