Hypothetically: Trail Honcho SCX10 vs SCX10.2

[Reezo]

I have not found this specific comparison, so I thought I'd open a new thread and drop totally-loaded questions:

Does the body of the original SCX10 Honcho (including scale details of any sort) feel by any mean better-quality than the SCX10.2?

Also, I'd throw in the classic question: disregarding parts availability, is the SCX10 more capable than the SCX10.2? I had to ask *ducks for cover*

Thanks!

 

[lonleycreeper]

No , no and no.

The videos you see have many times custom painted bodies. I did a comparison on here... here it is... Trail Honcho, For Trailing

 

[Reezo]

Thank you! Diving into the link you posted!

 

[twade984]

10.1 axles are a huge bummer. Huge diffs, poor steering angle, too many pieces, etc. besides that they are basically the same truck.

 

[Reezo]

10.1 axles are a huge bummer. Huge diffs, poor steering angle, too many pieces, etc. besides that they are basically the same truck.

Thanks twade! I've got an SCX10.2 (Unimog) but I have zero experience with the 10.1 or the AX10, this is all good info.

I'd be interested in keeping it stock for the electronics side and change things only if they break, I can make my own links need be etc. (Lonelycreeper's thread is basically 1:1 what I was thinking).

Also, 10.1 are going for crazy prices right now, considering all the disadvantages. Maybe they're done for that 'collector mild h*rd-on' that is implied with the 'old'.

 

[Col_Sanders]

From a quality and a performance standpoint, the original SCX10s are way behind the modern scale crawlers. The prices are going up because people collect stuff and most of those things have probably been tossed in the trash by now.

The axles were especially bad by todays standards. Huge ring gear so crap ground clearance. Dog bones up front so steering sucked, poor quality plastics, pot metal lockers would strip out easily. The SCX10.2 was a better truck by a good margin...At least the higher end versions that same with universals.

 

[Reezo]

From a quality and a performance standpoint, the original SCX10s are way behind the modern scale crawlers. The prices are going up because people collect stuff and most of those things have probably been tossed in the trash by now.

The axles were especially bad by todays standards. Huge ring gear so crap ground clearance. Dog bones up front so steering sucked, poor quality plastics, pot metal lockers would strip out easily. The SCX10.2 was a better truck by a good margin...At least the higher end versions that same with universals.

Thanks for the info, it's even clearer now.

I was trying to find the next crawler to add to the "scale 1ish" (very wide margin) section I have. 10.3 Gladiator, 10.2 Unimog, TRX-4 Sport, I like to think ahead to add new rigs that contrast with what I have. Like each has their own feature or something. It's fun when we go on the trail because you see how it all contrasts even more in a single line.

I thought the 10.1 would be it but no way, considering it's so old, sinking in scarcity of parts etc.

I'll keep looking. I wanted to keep it within Axial, or worst case Traxxas or Losi but I think I've run out of Axial contrasting Scalers

No I haven't, maybe I have to search better.

I didn't want to get into Vanquish (too expensive here) or other brands as then my spare parts box will mostly be useless. But I might be biased and that's not the case...


As usual, suggestions are welcome...
GMade Bom?
MST CFX-W?

 

[JatoTheRipper]

I have an MST CMX and it is a really fun truck, but they are a smaller scale with shorter wheelbase. The chassis fits Tamiya bodies so you have a huge selection of body options. The CFX-W is a more typical wheelbase, but I have zero experience with it.

No experience with the BOM, but I absolutely love my leaf spring Sawbacks.

It's a shame Vanquish is so expensive there. The Fordyce or VRD Straight Axle kit would be my recommendation in a heartbeat. The other would be a Traxxas TRX-4.

The best Axial vehicle was the SCX10 II. The III was a downgrade.

 

[lonleycreeper]

I agree with Jato, I HATE The 10III chassis.

Another option if you can find one is a SSD Trail King. my personal favorite. its based on a 10II and very scale chassis wise.

 

[ferp420]

theres nothing wrong with the og scx10 there vary capabe even with that big pumpkin hanging down and the really bad parts can be modded and upgraded but the 10.2 axles are cheap and are leaps and bounds a better axle
since we are on a og thread i have a og scx10 story

my old neigbors and freinds for about 20 years bought a og deadbolt the woman who bought it was about 70 at the time she drove it about 3 times and packed it away before she passed away she gave it to my freinds daughter who drove it about 5 times well she moved out off to school and now it kinda passed down to her dad and hes driven it about 3 times so this rig is bone stock and in perfict condition
hopefully it makes it to proline by the fire this year but anyway
we took it out last week and got some run time on it
the dang thing keept up just fine with my custom built trxapra
it did show its torque twist and stock weight and stock tires dident perform all that well but it made every line and every climb just took more time it wasent point and shoot but still a good rig and lots of fun trying to work around its limitations

 

[Reezo]

I have an MST CMX and it is a really fun truck, but they are a smaller scale with shorter wheelbase. The chassis fits Tamiya bodies so you have a huge selection of body options. The CFX-W is a more typical wheelbase, but I have zero experience with it.

No experience with the BOM, but I absolutely love my leaf spring Sawbacks.

It's a shame Vanquish is so expensive there. The Fordyce or VRD Straight Axle kit would be my recommendation in a heartbeat. The other would be a Traxxas TRX-4.

The best Axial vehicle was the SCX10 II. The III was a downgrade.

I checked the Gmade BOM and their diff design leaves a lot to be desired. I know I'd strip it sooner than later and then finding parts doesn't seem easy, there are a couple design choices that force you to use specific parts.

Vanquish is indeed, when put in context, off scale here, so I am not even going there. The CFX-W seems cool although it's not easy to find around here, as well.

 

[Reezo]

I have an MST CMX and it is a really fun truck, but they are a smaller scale with shorter wheelbase. The chassis fits Tamiya bodies so you have a huge selection of body options. The CFX-W is a more typical wheelbase, but I have zero experience with it.

No experience with the BOM, but I absolutely love my leaf spring Sawbacks.

It's a shame Vanquish is so expensive there. The Fordyce or VRD Straight Axle kit would be my recommendation in a heartbeat. The other would be a Traxxas TRX-4.

The best Axial vehicle was the SCX10 II. The III was a downgrade.

I checked the Gmade BOM and their diff design leaves a lot to be desired. I know I'd strip it sooner than later and then finding parts doesn't seem easy, there are a couple design choices that force you to use specific parts.

Vanquish is indeed, when put in context, off scale here, so I am not even going there. The CFX-W seems cool although it's not easy to find around here, as well.

I agree with Jato, I HATE The 10III chassis.

Another option if you can find one is a SSD Trail King. my personal favorite. its based on a 10II and very scale chassis wise.

Hard to find, but the SSD Trail King is indeed solid, put any body on, and go. Very solid platform.

As much as I love my Gladiator, it's just a 'context of the car' thing. Outside of such context, the SCX10.2 beats in design the .1 and .3, hands-down, in my opinion. And it doesn't take an expert to see it.

theres nothing wrong with the og scx10 there vary capabe even with that big pumpkin hanging down and the really bad parts can be modded and upgraded but the 10.2 axles are cheap and are leaps and bounds a better axle
since we are on a og thread i have a og scx10 story

my old neigbors and freinds for about 20 years bought a og deadbolt the woman who bought it was about 70 at the time she drove it about 3 times and packed it away before she passed away she gave it to my freinds daughter who drove it about 5 times well she moved out off to school and now it kinda passed down to her dad and hes driven it about 3 times so this rig is bone stock and in perfict condition
hopefully it makes it to proline by the fire this year but anyway
we took it out last week and got some run time on it
the dang thing keept up just fine with my custom built trxapra
it did show its torque twist and stock weight and stock tires dident perform all that well but it made every line and every climb just took more time it wasent point and shoot but still a good rig and lots of fun trying to work around its limitations

 

[JatoTheRipper]

I checked the Gmade BOM and their diff design leaves a lot to be desired. I know I'd strip it sooner than later and then finding parts doesn't seem easy, there are a couple design choices that force you to use specific parts.

Vanquish is indeed, when put in context, off scale here, so I am not even going there. The CFX-W seems cool although it's not easy to find around here, as well.



Hard to find, but the SSD Trail King is indeed solid, put any body on, and go. Very solid platform.

As much as I love my Gladiator, it's just a 'context of the car' thing. Outside of such context, the SCX10.2 beats in design the .1 and .3, hands-down, in my opinion. And it doesn't take an expert to see it.

GMade sadly doesn't get much love. I think they could build competitive trucks if they started to become popular and generated more revenue, users gave more feedback, and the aftermarket started tackling issues with the trucks. GMade would certainly pay attention to the later two if they were smart and the userbase was larger.

I have a built, but never ran Trail King. Great quality platform. Sadly didn't get much love and would cost way too much to ship to you or else I'd offer it up for sale.

 

[Reezo]

theres nothing wrong with the og scx10 there vary capabe even with that big pumpkin hanging down and the really bad parts can be modded and upgraded but the 10.2 axles are cheap and are leaps and bounds a better axle
since we are on a og thread i have a og scx10 story

my old neigbors and freinds for about 20 years bought a og deadbolt the woman who bought it was about 70 at the time she drove it about 3 times and packed it away before she passed away she gave it to my freinds daughter who drove it about 5 times well she moved out off to school and now it kinda passed down to her dad and hes driven it about 3 times so this rig is bone stock and in perfict condition
hopefully it makes it to proline by the fire this year but anyway
we took it out last week and got some run time on it
the dang thing keept up just fine with my custom built trxapra
it did show its torque twist and stock weight and stock tires dident perform all that well but it made every line and every climb just took more time it wasent point and shoot but still a good rig and lots of fun trying to work around its limitations

Very cool story and again proof that, once on the rocks, unless it smokes, goes to flames, or grinds or does anything that screams: "I am brick from now on!", things can be made to work out. But there are 'working' rigs who are frustrating to drive, because of their lack of posture, tendency to roll, imbalances of all sorts. The SCX platform in general isn't one of those, although it has obviously defects and it benefits from tinkering and upgrades. I am not sure I'd want a "you cannot make it better" kit, if they even made one me want wrench!


If I find an SCX10 for crazy-really-crazy-stupid prices, I might take it, also knowing it has a story (you can see it on some). Otherwise, the 10.2 is defintely a better long-term investment, given parts, design etc.


Or, if I find a good offer on a 10.2 Honcho, I'll get it. Even if it's going to be the same as my 10.2 UMG, I'll work to make it feel different, more different than "just a body swap". For example I'll go brushed (the UMG is an AM32 4S brushless system), different vibe of shocks (cantilever?) and of course, tires still make a lot of difference. And maybe other things I am overlooking, oh like crazy overdrive (I usually go for only a mild underdrive in the rear).

 

[Reezo]

GMade sadly doesn't get much love. I think they could build competitive trucks if they started to become popular and generated more revenue, users gave more feedback, and the aftermarket started tackling issues with the trucks. GMade would certainly pay attention to the later two if they were smart and the userbase was larger.

I have a built, but never ran Trail King. Great quality platform. Sadly didn't get much love and would cost way too much to ship to you or else I'd offer it up for sale.

You are right. I have seen them on the trail and they are cool. I like the GOM, even the R1, they do offer something different within the what-we-know, they look good and they can take tuning as the others, and perform great. Granted, it's not Axial or Traxxas in terms of parts availability, but that'd be it.

The Trail King to me looks even better than the Honcho, maybe it's my own taste, maybe it's because it's a tad less seen... it's got that aggressive front posture that sits just compelling enough on the rocks, when it bites.

Do you think that diff design is going to cause wear (as seen on some YT channels, like RC-TNT) and it's better to stock up on spares? My 'local big online RC shops' <-it does hurt to write it that way, show GMade parts and they are in stock, so at least, that's something!

Thanks for the offer, I think it would cost a lot to ship it to Germany, indeed!

 

[JatoTheRipper]

Do you think that diff design is going to cause wear (as seen on some YT channels, like RC-TNT) and it's better to stock up on spares? My 'local big online RC shops' <-it does hurt to write it that way, show GMade parts and they are in stock, so at least, that's something!

What diff design are you referring to?

 

[Reezo]

I saw that the Gmade BOM had this design:

And I saw it's not shimmable the way I am used to. I was just afraid to get it nice and stripped in one of the binds I might *cough* not be the driver it deserves.


So, I'll run those part numbers on Google and see if there's online stores shipping to me. This is going to give me a good reference point on how hard it's gonna be to fix any Gmade truck. Dang, I love how they crawl! Ah, being mature is hard.

 

[ferp420]

tamiyas are really fun to for something different and still durable with a strong aftermarket and there still relatively cheap

 

[Reezo]

tamiyas are really fun to for something different and still durable with a strong aftermarket and there still relatively cheap

Completely right, but I have no idea which kinda models would go side-by-side with say a Honcho, Jeep Wrangler Unlimited or similar Axial ones (suggestions are welcome).

My experience with Tamiya is with the 1/10 buggies like Neo Fighter, Novafox and the alike and I was always impressed with how 'poised' the whole platform is. I mean, you can tell the design team was at work. It's not just put together (my personal impression). On the track, they were the same (Kyosho as well, and a few others).

So, I've always thought "wow, they're so composed in how they move, maybe they'd make good RC crawlers and trail trucks!".


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And you know also what? A lot of friends here have Absima (Sherpa etc.) and they look and perform awesomely. I have just not been able to pull the trigger on one because their price isn't exactly low and I've always considered that I'd get another brand, instead. But that was before I had - let's say - the basics down in my crawler collection.

But I'll say this: if you want one M*___ING badass angry looking Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited in 1/10, the Sherpa looks the meanest. I don't think even the coolest custom job on the SCX10.2 Wrangler would get it that angry.

 

[ferp420]

i like the cc01 izuzu amigo or mu
and i have a few clods also
and a custom ta02-ff01 dual motor trail rig and a grashopper colection lol

there slittle small compaired to todays 1/10 that are closer to 1/8 scale but not off by much especially a smaller rig like the izuzu mu or mitsubishi pajero