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colorado springs weekly comps/trail runs?

Thanks Marshall, I appreciate that sir. Thanks to everyone that came out today to the winter series. Special shout out to the crawl space and Patrick for coming down to our neck of the woods and throwing a great comp. I think they said they had around thirty two entries today and we had about twenty spectators. Great turn out guys. Congrats to all the winners and thanks to everyone that pitched in on the course layouts and to everyone that brought food and helped out with the. BBQ. We will post next weeks crawl around Wednesday.(weather permit).


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I disagree with Marshall, COMPLETELY!! Ok, I'm just kidding! Yes, Tony, you are "da man"!

There was 21 entries in the trail class alone!!!!

I'm curious if the rules will change in the trail class next year. Curious, because there was a wide variety of rigs competing today. I only wonder if I need to home build a competitive "trail rig", or will this class be confined to stock chassis builds. Lots of money to be spent if I have to come up with a competitive rig. Not complaining, just curious if any streamlining of the class will happen to continue attracting folks to compete and keep the sport alive.

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I suppose that is where the class difference should be..."1.9", "2.2" and "2.2 adventurist" maybe. Either way, I had a great time and want to do it again!
 
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Great event Patrick, and crawl space dude. I'm not even going to try and spell your name. First time in any kind of organized event of this nature.......I'm hooked. Just like in the r/c racing scene its great to get together with the "DENVER GUYS" and battle it out. We should do it more often. You come to our house we come to yours. Yes this is an unofficial call out. Great time guys really had a lot of fun.
 
Dan, not so sure you were out classed. My wraith is not far from stock, in fact here is my set-up......SHOCKS- stock body's, 30 weight oil, losi gold springs
TIRES- rock beast 2's, CI double deuce foams some trimming of the foams to make them work even better and 3/4 of a pound of weight in each front tire. No weight in the rear.
ELECTRICS-brxl, 35 turn Holmes torque master, cc Bec set at 7.4, hi-tech 7954
DRIVE LINE- hardened steel trans grears, modified STOCK drive shafts, (I'm poor got to do what have to):lmao: everything else is stock.

This is very much a run of the mill wraith build, and it flat works."thumbsup"
 
Dan, not so sure you were out classed. My wraith is not far from stock, in fact here is my set-up......SHOCKS- stock body's, 30 weight oil, losi gold springs

TIRES- rock beast 2's, CI double deuce foams some trimming of the foams to make them work even better and 3/4 of a pound of weight in each front tire. No weight in the rear.

ELECTRICS-brxl, 35 turn Holmes torque master, cc Bec set at 7.4, hi-tech 7954

DRIVE LINE- hardened steel trans grears, modified STOCK drive shafts, (I'm poor got to do what have to):lmao: everything else is stock.



This is very much a run of the mill wraith build, and it flat works."thumbsup"


I would almost quote "almost" throw my honcho up against a wraith and give it a run for its money being a 1.9 rig.
 
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[/URL][/IMG]I would have LOVED to show up. But I got BONED with 24 hour duty. At least I can put in some more work on the Gelande 2. She is tired of being stuck in my truck, naked, with no dirt or rocks lol
 
Dan, not so sure you were out classed. My wraith is not far from stock, in fact here is my set-up......SHOCKS- stock body's, 30 weight oil, losi gold springs
TIRES- rock beast 2's, CI double deuce foams some trimming of the foams to make them work even better and 3/4 of a pound of weight in each front tire. No weight in the rear.
ELECTRICS-brxl, 35 turn Holmes torque master, cc Bec set at 7.4, hi-tech 7954
DRIVE LINE- hardened steel trans grears, modified STOCK drive shafts, (I'm poor got to do what have to):lmao: everything else is stock.

This is very much a run of the mill wraith build, and it flat works."thumbsup"

Agreed - you have a nice build
 
Dan, I agree with you, if I was all serious about doing a 'comp', I would want it broken up into the proper classes. AND ... AND I am also not complaining one bit about yesterday's event ... it was a super event and a great time. With that said .........

I think the Denver guys are primarily all about comp rock crawling and are just beginning to get into the trail run class. With a big of turn out as there was yesterday in both main classes, I think the day would of really of been a long one if they had broken down the Trail Run side down into the proper individual classes. I suggest next year (or next time they put together another comp) our club contact them early and ask if they want us to run the Trail Run side of it. I'm sure Ikika would be all over that and would love for another group to take over that responsibility. Then we could manage it and have the proper classes.

When we have our local club comp, I suggest we do break the rigs up into the proper classes and judge accordingly. I also want to suggest our own version of rules which I will try to put together in the near future and broadcast for opinion and suggestions for modifications. 8)
 
First I want to thank everyone that participated in the Trail Class comp this weekend. It was a perfect day for crawling "thumbsup"

I wanted to stick around but as we all know, duty calls.

ok,
I disagree with Marshall, COMPLETELY!! Ok, I'm just kidding! Yes, Tony, you are "da man"!

There was 21 entries in the trail class alone!!!!

I'm curious if the rules will change in the trail class next year. Curious, because there was a wide variety of rigs competing today. I only wonder if I need to home build a competitive "trail rig", or will this class be confined to stock chassis builds. Lots of money to be spent if I have to come up with a competitive rig. Not complaining, just curious if any streamlining of the class will happen to continue attracting folks to compete and keep the sport alive.

**Edit**

I suppose that is where the class difference should be..."1.9", "2.2" and "2.2 adventurist" maybe. Either way, I had a great time and want to do it again!

This was a great turn out for the debut of the Trail Class comp, good job drivers "thumbsup"

The trail class rules are very new at this time and still in "beta" mode, hence the "run what you brung" format on Sunday. The goal is to promote crawling/scaling comps that are fun for everyone and I think we all got that one covered.

Once everyone is on the same page as far as general format, rules, points, scoring, judging, etc. we can start breaking up the rigs into different classes.

With the addition of classes to the trail class we will hopefully see drivers stepping into SORCCA style comps "thumbsup"
Basically same rules, but with winching and scale points tallied into the drivers score.


Dan, I agree with you, if I was all serious about doing a 'comp', I would want it broken up into the proper classes. AND ... AND I am also not complaining one bit about yesterday's event ... it was a super event and a great time. With that said .........

I think the Denver guys are primarily all about comp rock crawling and are just beginning to get into the trail run class. With a big of turn out as there was yesterday in both main classes, I think the day would of really of been a long one if they had broken down the Trail Run side down into the proper individual classes. I suggest next year (or next time they put together another comp) our club contact them early and ask if they want us to run the Trail Run side of it. I'm sure Ikika would be all over that and would love for another group to take over that responsibility. Then we could manage it and have the proper classes.

When we have our local club comp, I suggest we do break the rigs up into the proper classes and judge accordingly. I also want to suggest our own version of rules which I will try to put together in the near future and broadcast for opinion and suggestions for modifications. 8)

For the most part, the Denver guys that came down where there for the comp crawling and this trail class comp was a litmus test for turn out, rules and reaction, which were all positive. Most of the scale guys from our neck of the woods expressed interest in the trail class just didn't have the time to come down.

Agreed, more drivers and classes makes for a long day and as I stated above, I think once we get everyone into the groove of trail class comping it will make for a smoother run day, and yes, myself and Patrick would appreciate any help :)

The Trail class is a general set of rules that can be amended per each group/club to suit their members, terrain, etc.

The goal is fun and I think we hit it on the head for Sunday "thumbsup"
 
All good points and thanks for the reply - For some reason, my assumption was that the trail class has been going on for some time now and this was not the beta. With that in mind, I will be more than happy and excited to assist in further development of the class...ask and you shall receive!

Thanks again, I can't officially speak for "SOCOcrawlers", but I'm sure we all would agree, we look forward to having you folks down more ofter this summer!
 
With that in mind, I will be more than happy and excited to assist in further development of the class...ask and you shall receive!

Thanks again, I can't officially speak for "SOCOcrawlers", but I'm sure we all would agree, we look forward to having you folks down more ofter this summer!

We appreciate the help, I would encourage you guys to comp at the local level, let us know how it works out. Any input to make the Trail Class more fun, easier to understand and get more people into the comp side of scaling is what we're looking for "thumbsup"

I spoke with Patrick yesterday and the feedback and input he got was positive :mrgreen:

We are going through the schedule right now and plan to have more events in your neck of the woods "thumbsup"
 
I do have some quick ideas to bounce off everyone to further continue what the trail class has been designed for.

With the new trail class doing well for its first time I think we can all find a happy medium for sorcca scale comps that hopefully everyone can enjoy.

I was texting with Crawlorado719 after the trail class comp and came up with some ideas for the sorcca style comps that The Crawl
Space hosts and hopefully eliminate any issues that have occured in the past.

First, we will have people from each club/group build courses together as pairs, triples, teams whatever, That way all courses will
be on the level for everyone attending the event.

We can also incorporate "novice and pro/experienced" sub-classes to the rules and judging, ie; "novice" drivers are given an extra
minute to the standard 5-6 mins. time alotted to run a course. "novice" drivers will be scored and "placed" in their own catergory.

Example: Novice class 2, Novice Class 3, next to Pro Class 2, Pro Class3, etc.

This will allow drivers just getting into sorcca style scale comp events extra time on course to do work and they won't being going up against more experienced drivers while all running the same courses.

The main goal in this is to have fun and hopefully have all the groups/clubs in Colorado adopt this style of scale competition into
their repertoire. Which we hope would lead into your own local scale comp series "thumbsup"

We host an annual local scale comp series every year and have been in touch with the Grand Junction club to have an end of the series "Scale Off" between their top 5 and the Denver top 5 for each class. Basically a regional championship between Denver and GJ.

We would like to have the Southern Colorado based drivers and hopefully the northern based scaler guys join in on the fun and make it a big thing for all of us :mrgreen:

These are just ideas and open to questions, comments, concerns, ideas, thoughts and positive constructive criticism.
 
My 2 pennies is its a great starting point for sure! and the more that clubs run the class in there own club group or wat have u the better tuned the rules will be!

sent from my 5th scale
 
Below are a suggestion on possible rule modifications to the 2014 SORRCA RULES for our local club to use. The suggested changes with reason supporting suggested changes are posted in red, all else is unchanged. Let me stress this again .... below are SUGGESTIONS to POSSIBLE rule changes based on feedback I've heard from club members. We do need to come up with a set of rules that work for our local club and this is a starting point. CONSTRUCTIVE comments, suggestions and discussion is requested.

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2014 Course Points and Penalties

Points:
Progress: -2 points
Reverse: +1 point 0 points, NO penalty
Gate Marker: +10 points
Rollover: +5 points
Boundary Marker: +10 points
Vehicle Touch (Repair & Repositions): +10 points
Course Direction: +10 points
Self Recovery : +3 points 0 points, NO penalty
Assisted Recovery: +10 points 0 points, NO penalty

Dig/Rear Steer: +5 points
Did not finish (or point out): point out or high score on course +20 points
Did not start: Point out or high score on course +50 points +30 points
Safety Time Out: FREE
Vehicle out of Spec: Varies


Progress Bonus: (-2 progress point) shall be awarded to drivers for each gate that is cleared by the vehicle
during the attempt of a course. A gate is considered cleared and a progress bonus shall be given when at least one front and one rear tire passes completely through the gate in the intended direction of the gate. All tires must pass completely through the gate to receive the progress bonus without a gate penalty. A 10 point gate penalty shall be given if all tires do not clear the gate, even if no gate marker is touched or straddled. The tires of the vehicle must travel completely through the gate, and not just break the plane of the gate. Tires must pass through the gate in the same direction and in the same attempt before a progress bonus is awarded. These points are deducted from the total course score. Once a driver has pointed out, no further progress points will be awarded.

Back Up/Reverse:(0) two thoughts; scalers do not have digs (as comp crawlers do) to assist in making extremely sharp turns plus in real 1:1 scaling action reverses are used normally/naturally and freely; therefore should not be looked upon as a penalty in a scaled competition.


Gate Marker: (+10 pts each) Each gate will be comprised of 2 gate markers. Points are given when all wheels do not travel between gate markers or any part of the vehicle, a tow strap or winch line touches a gate marker. A gate marker will remain "live" for the entire duration of the attempt on the course. Once any gate marker has been touched or straddled, no more penalties will be given for that gate marker. Only when a gate penalty is assessed will that gate marker be deemed "dead". No further penalties will be assessed at this point for that gate marker. There will no longer be a penalty for stepping on a gate (for safety reasons) but please stay off course as much as possible and limit course damage.

Rollover: (+5 pts) Points are given when a vehicle rolls over and cannot be corrected without touching. Once the vehicle has stopped it may be rolled back onto its wheels and a +5 point penalty shall be given. Vehicles that
land back on their wheels without assistance are not penalized. No reverse penalties will be awarded until the
vehicle is righted. The vehicle may at no time be lifted, slid or moved in any way other than a smooth, continuous roll to the left or right side only. Any other manipulation or movement of the vehicle will be considered a "vehicle touch" penalty.

Boundary Marker: (+10 pts each) Points are given when any part of the vehicle touches a boundary marker. Once a boundary marker is touched the judge then will stop time, and the vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. A boundary marker will remain "live" for the entire duration of the attempt on the course, and should be replaced if moved. Boundary markers are not required in the design of a course.


Vehicle Touch: (+10 pts) All vehicle touches excluding “rollovers”, "winching", "assisted recoveries" (see associated rules), intentional or unintentional, are given an automatic +10 points. The judge then will stop time when either the driver calls for a vehicle touch or the judge calls a driver touch. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after
the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Note: All gates for progress are still “live” unless a gate
has already been deemed “dead”. Vehicle touches include but are not limited to: repairs, repositions, vehicle driving/falling into the driver.


On-Course Repairs: (+10pts) Must be completed on course and in the spot of which the driver decided to take the repair. Repairs must be made within the course time, while the course timer will continue to run. If repairs are made within the course time, the driver must return to the last previous gate cleared. If repairs cannot be made within the course time, the driver is given a DNF minus progress points for that course. There are no restrictions on whom or how the repairs are made.


Off-Course Repairs: (+10pts) A driver can call time to make an off-course repair. Repairs should be completed within 30 minutes, or the driver is given a DNF minus progress points. If the repair is made in the allotted time, the driver must return to the last previous gate cleared. A 1 minute time penalty will be subtracted from the time that is left on that course, the timer will continue once the vehicle makes forward progress.


Reposition: (+10 pts) The vehicle will be placed with its rear tires in the last gate progressed or the nearest stable location after the last cleared gate if the last gate cleared is unstable.


Course Direction: (+10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence. Any part of the vehicle entering an non-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a
+10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back to the previously cleared gate (see reposition rule). Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.


Self-Recovery:(0) The time needed to use a winch line is enough of a penalty. Self-recovery techniques are pretty cool in themselves and shouldn't be discouraged. If at any time during the process of removing recovery tools and/or winch line from vehicle, the vehicle is moved by any force other than it's winch or its own power (within reason), a touch penalty will be assessed and the vehicle repositioned to the last cleared gate (see vehicle touch rule). All selfrecovery tools must be carried on the vehicle.


Assisted Recovery:(0) See reason above. At any time during the course, a driver may call for an assisted recovery. With the clock running, another vehicle will be brought onto the course to pull or winch the stranded vehicle to safety. The stranded vehicle shall not be pulled beyond the original position of the rescuing vehicle or it will result in another assisted recovery penalty.

Dig/Rear Steer (Class 3 only): (+5 pts) Dig and rear steer are both legal in Class 3, but only one may be used per course. The first use of dig or rear steer will incur a +5 point penalty, subsequent uses of the same feature (dig or rear steer) on the same course are free. Use of the other feature is prohibited. If at any time on the same course the driver uses rear steer after using dig, or uses dig after using rear steer, a +10 reposition penalty will be incurred, and the truck will be placed at the last cleared gate.


DNF (Did Not Finish): (High score or point out +20 pts) are given anytime a driver cannot complete a course for any reason. (Time expired, point-out, vehicle not repairable, went home, etc) Progress points are awarded for each gate completed and scale points are awarded. **If there is no point out you use the highest score on that course before scale and progress points**


DNS (Did Not Start): (High score or point out +30 pts)I can understand having more points than a DNF but 50 seems excessive to a point of knocking a driver totally out of the competition. are given anytime a driver cannot start a course for any reason. Vehicle must start course under its own power. No scale points will be awarded to this course.


Safety Time Out: A driver may call for time to stop so that he or she may safely reposition themselves on the course. This time shall be used for the purpose of driver safety and may not be used to survey the course or for any other advantage. Once the competitor is repositioned the time will start, however the judge has the right to start time at any point.


Vehicle out-of-spec: If the Judge has reason to believe a vehicle is out of spec during a course run, he may call time to stop. At that point no additional inputs maybe given by the driver to the vehicle via touch or radio control. The Judge must mark the vehicle’s location and perform a tech inspection in the specified tech area (same
manner as all other tech inspections). If the vehicle has been deemed within spec, the driver and vehicle will
return to the location marked by the judge and the clock will start once again. If the vehicle is now out of spec and the Judge has determined that the vehicle has gained an advantage, the driver must take a repair to correct the problem. If the problem cannot be corrected to bring the vehicle back within spec, the driver will receive a DNF for that course. If a vehicle falls out of spec due to breakage on course and the judge determines the driver has not gained an advantage, then the driver may be allowed to continue on course without stopping time and requiring a tech inspection. Bodies, and body panels are not included in this exception, and must be replaced immediately, standard repair procedures and penalties apply.
 
Marshall - lets sit down as a group of SOCO crawlers either this week or this weekend and hammer out OUR rendition of some scaler rules to push forward.

I have a few comments, concerns, questions, and suggestions better suited for in person chat than forum posting that would take a month to cover. Once we have what we think will work for us, we can push it forward and compare it to what the others have to eventually come up with a comprehensive set of guidelines to include but not all inclusive: "Classes, builds, and course rules".

With me having the "little ones" I pose we meet at my house so I maintain favor with the wife and she still allows me time on Sundays to play "grown up toys"
 
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