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Gas Price Info/ sent to me/take a look

STEW<CO>

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Thought I'd pass this along just in case you were wondering why prices at the pump are so high and can't find anyone to explain it to you. Well this does a pretty good job of it

"Big Oil"
I hadn't realized, until the hearings on energy that were held this week in House and Senate committees, that the United States doesn't have any big oil companies. It's true: the largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil, is only the 14th largest in the world, and is dwarfed by the really big oil companies--all owned by foreign governments or government-sponsored monopolies--that dominate the world's oil supply.This graph tells the story; you can barely see the American oil companies as minor players on the right side of the chart. The chart was presented to the House committee by Chevron.


clic to see chart.


With 94% of the world's oil supply locked up by foreign governments, most of which are hostile to the United States, the relatively puny American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus, Exxon Mobil, a small oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it refines for the U.S. market from the big players, i.e, mostly-hostile foreign governments. The price at the U.S. pump is rising because the price the big oil companies charge Exxon Mobil and the other small American companies for crude oil is going up.
This is obviously a tough situation for the American consumer. The irony is that it doesn't have to be that way. The United States--unlike, say, France--actually has vast petroleum reserves. It would be possible for American oil companies to develop those reserves, play a far bigger role in international markets, and deliver gas at the pump to American consumers at a much lower price, while creating many thousands of jobs for Americans. This would be infinitely preferable to shipping endless billions of dollars to Saudi Arabia, Russia and Venezuela.
So, why doesn't it happen? Because the Democratic Party--aided, sadly, by a handful of Republicans--deliberately keeps gas prices high and our domestic oil companies small by putting most of our reserves off limits to development. China is now drilling in the Caribbean, but our own companies are barred by law from developing large oil fields off the coasts of Florida and California. Enormous shale oil deposits in the Rocky Mountain states could go a long way toward supplying American consumers' needs, but the Democratic Congress won't allow those resources to be developed. ANWR contains vast petroleum reserves, but we don't know how vast, because Congress, not wanting the American people to know how badly its policies are hurting our economy, has made it illegal to explore and map those reserves, let alone develop them.
In short, all Americans are paying a terrible price for the Democratic Party's perverse energy policies.

This administration has tried for over 7 years to get an Energy Policy enacted. But the Liberal Environmental whackos (no need to name Party, there is only one that will have them) have lobbied the Democratic Congress (now we can name Party) to stay away from ANWR, West Coast and East Coast drilling, By opening the drilling this would have put us way above needing any foreign oil but instead, we are in exactly the place we are today. Why is it that the Democrats are so against producing domestic oil? One things for sure, it's the last thing our friends in Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and yes, our friends in Iran, want this country to do. Why are the Democrats on their side. Food for thought. Now try to find one of them that will admit it. It's always someone elses fault. Have a great day.

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<HR>A commentator on CNN today, explained that not devloping our reserves will cost us so much that we will be motiveted to find alternative energy scources before we have to read this in the dark?
 
Drilling here or buying there? The big US Gov. battle to fill the pockets of those who have or get paid by the BIG oil People. The ILLUMINATI maybe?
BUT,IMO, We all have one!!!

I contribute the rise in oil prices to China's coming into the auto market place. With our auto makers shutting down factories here in the states(costing loss of jobs here) and setting up new factories in China. Our country needs to raise tariffs on the shit China is sending over here to the point that making things here would be cheaper. Tariffs could control and should control commercial flow.

Yes, higher tariffs on oil would drive up prices for sure And prices on goods. But people would stop spending as much needlessly and only buy necessities.

And don't forget that India is in the same shape as China. Cars are becoming the big thing there also. And the U.S. is loosing the battle to sell to China and India because the auto makers are moving there, rather than build here and ship. All because the TARIFFS are not sut up correctly on imports to this country and exports to others. I for one would like to see the MADE IN THE USA logo on everything sold in the U.S.A.. I miss seeing that especially in stores like Wal-Mart who was founded on selling America Made Goods to Americans to produce jobs for Americans. I ask you to look there for Made in the USA tags. Look in every store you go into. Clothing,tools,shoes,tooth paste, look at everything you buy for where it's made. If it says China at least think about not buying it. Rant OFF

Oh yeah, I bought a Berg. Damn thing's made_____ in CHINA!!!!!
 
Drilling here or buying there? The big US Gov. battle to fill the pockets of those who have or get paid by the BIG oil People. The ILLUMINATI maybe?
BUT,IMO, We all have one!!!

I contribute the rise in oil prices to China's coming into the auto market place. With our auto makers shutting down factories here in the states(costing loss of jobs here) and setting up new factories in China. Our country needs to raise tariffs on the shit China is sending over here to the point that making things here would be cheaper. Tariffs could control and should control commercial flow.

Yes, higher tariffs on oil would drive up prices for sure And prices on goods. But people would stop spending as much needlessly and only buy necessities.

And don't forget that India is in the same shape as China. Cars are becoming the big thing there also. And the U.S. is loosing the battle to sell to China and India because the auto makers are moving there, rather than build here and ship. All because the TARIFFS are not sut up correctly on imports to this country and exports to others. I for one would like to see the MADE IN THE USA logo on everything sold in the U.S.A.. I miss seeing that especially in stores like Wal-Mart who was founded on selling America Made Goods to Americans to produce jobs for Americans. I ask you to look there for Made in the USA tags. Look in every store you go into. Clothing,tools,shoes,tooth paste, look at everything you buy for where it's made. If it says China at least think about not buying it. Rant OFF

Oh yeah, I bought a Berg. Damn thing's made_____ in CHINA!!!!!
I support this rant, I miss made in america also. I checked the the tag on my ass and come to find out, I was made in china too. WTF is going on here in the supposed Great US of A?
 
Republicans think they can change the world by yelling on an internet forum for rc rock crawlers and telling one of the most spun stories I have ever heard "thumbsup"

Hmm...a car company makes an electric car that goes 200mph and goes 250 miles per charge and YOUR yelling about the dems not wanting to dig up the ol black gold...Does anyone else see a problem here or am I the only sane one in the room?
 
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I could give 2 craps about Democrats or Republicans. Both do absolutely nothing together or seperate.

I'm more liberal but I'm a realist more than anything. I know as long as the US is a 2 party country we will never see change, NEVER. Some old cronies in government just won't vote for it.

I don't think I've met a single politician who understands the demand or need of the people. I weekly send letters to my state and federal politicians on ideas to save $ or help the citizens, never once do I really get anything more than a form email back not even responding to my email.
 
Both do absolutely nothing together or seperate.
EXACTLY! Politicians accomplish nothing. They are all too worried about not hurting the feelings of the voters so that they can get reelected.

Rudukai, Dems do the same thing....there are just fewer of you guys on this particular site..."thumbsup"
 
Thought I'd pass this along just in case you were wondering why prices at the pump are so high and can't find anyone to explain it to you. Well this does a pretty good job of it


Whoever wrote that was trying to smear the democrats for the upcoming election. I don't care what side you sit on, you can't ever trust anyone with a political agenda about stuff like this. Try reading this, maybe it will help you understand why prices are really going up, and opening protected reserves won't make much difference:

</co>United States


United States oil reserves peaked sharply in 1970 after the supergiant Prudhoe Bay field was found in Alaska.



United States oil production also peaked in 1970. By 2005 imports were twice production.


United States proven oil reserves declined to a little less than 21 billion barrels (3.3Ă—10<sup>9</sup> m<sup>3</sup>) as of 2006 according to the Energy Information Administration, a 46% decline from the 39 billion barrels (6.2Ă—10<sup>9</sup> m<sup>3</sup>) it had in 1970 when the huge Alaska North Slope (ANS) reserves were booked. With production of around 5 million barrels per day (790Ă—10<sup>3</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d) as of 2006, this represents about an 11 year supply of oil reserves at current rates of production.
If the United States had to supply its entire demand of 21 million barrels per day (3.3Ă—10<sup>6</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d) without resorting to foreign imports, existing US reserves would last only three years at the current rate of consumption.
No oil fields of similar size to the ANS reserves have been found in the US since 1970. With over 2.3 million wells having been drilled in the US since 1949,<sup id="cite_ref-43" class="reference">[44]</sup> there are very few unexplored areas left where a similar size oil field is likely to be found.<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed]</sup> US oil reserve numbers are very accurate compared to those of most other countries.
As a result of the decline in reserves, United States crude oil production also has been declining for nearly 30 years. Production peaked in 1970 at 9.6 million barrels per day (1.53Ă—10<sup>6</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d), but declined 47% to 5.1 million barrels per day (810Ă—10<sup>3</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d) by 2006. At the same time, US imports of oil and petroleum products increased by 400% from 3.4 million barrels per day (540Ă—10<sup>3</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d) in 1970 to 13.6 million barrels per day (2.16Ă—10<sup>6</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d) in 2006. The largest suppliers of oil and products in 2006 were Canada and Mexico, which supplied 2.3 and 1.7 Mbbl/d (370Ă—10<sup>3</sup> and 270Ă—10<sup>3</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d), respectively.<sup id="cite_ref-44" class="reference">[45]</sup>
Imports of oil and products account for nearly half of the US trade deficit. As of 2007, the Energy Information Agency (EIA) of the US Department of Energy projected that in 2007 oil consumption would rise to 20.9 million barrels per day (3.32Ă—10<sup>6</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d), while oil production would fall to 5.1 million barrels per day (810Ă—10<sup>3</sup> m<sup>3</sup>/d), meaning that oil consumption would be nearly four times as high as oil production.<sup id="cite_ref-45" class="reference">[46]</sup>
In April 2008, the United States Geological Survey (USGS) released a report giving a new resource assessment of the Bakken Formation underlying portions of Montana and North Dakota. The USGS believes that with new horizontal drilling technology there is somewhere between 3.0 and 4.5 billion barrels (480×10<sup>6</sup> and 720×10<sup>6</sup> m<sup>3</sup>) of recoverable oil remaining to be discovered in this 200,000 square miles (520,000 km²) formation that was initially discovered in 1951. If accurate, this reassessment would make it the largest continuous oil formation ever discovered in the U.S.<sup id="cite_ref-46" class="reference">[47]</sup> However, it would represent only a five to seven month supply of oil for the United States at current (2007) rates of consumption.
A 1993 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated at least 4.3 billion (95% probability) and possibly as much as 11.8 billion (5% probability) barrels (0.9 to 2.5 kmÂł) of technically recoverable oil exists in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1002 area, with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (1.7 kmÂł). In addition, in the entire assessment area, which covers not only land under Federal jurisdiction, but also Native lands and adjacent State waters within three miles (5 km), technically recoverable oil is estimated to be at least 5.7 billion (95%) and as much as 16.0 billion (5%) barrels (0.7 to 1.9 kmÂł), with a mean value of 10.4 billion barrels (1.2 kmÂł). Economically recoverable oil within the Federal lands assuming a market price of $40/barrel (constant 1996 dollars - the highest price included in the USGS study) is estimated to be between 3.4 billion (95%) and 10.4 billion (5%) barrels (0.5 to 1.7 kmÂł), with a mean value of 6.8 billion barrels (1.1 kmÂł).
 
Republicans think they can change the world by yelling on an internet forum for rc rock crawlers and telling one of the most spun stories I have ever heard "thumbsup"

Hmm...a car company makes an electric car that goes 200mph and goes 250 miles per charge and YOUR yelling about the dems not wanting to dig up the ol black gold...Does anyone else see a problem here or am I the only sane one in the room?


Hate to be an ass...........but, having barely reached puberty, and still being wet behind the ears, I doubt you've heard that many "stories" your not old enough to vote, and barely old enough to even drive, your opinion on politics matters little to me.
It's high time we start drilling in Alaska, drilling off shore, and start building more nuclear power plants.
Fawk the the wacko tree hugging fags. They're a small but vocal group of far left wing nuts.
 
Hate to be an ass...........but, having barely reached puberty, and still being wet behind the ears, I doubt you've heard that many "stories" your not old enough to vote, and barely old enough to even drive, your opinion on politics matters little to me.
Believe it or not, he is actually an intelligent little bastid. I've spoken with him about his political views before....they are enlightened for someone his age.
 
Believe it or not, he is actually an intelligent little bastid. I've spoken with him about his political views before....they are enlightened for someone his age.


I'm not saying he's a dumb ass, and I personally have nothing against him..
But still, wisdom comes with age, it's not something learned over the internet, or taught. Enlightenment is a good thing, but it's still not wisdom.
That 200 mph and 250 miles on a charge car he's talking about, costs over 90k. How many of us can afford a 90k car to save money on fuel? And at that cost, how much would you really save? You'd have to drive that car for many years/miles to make up the difference in price.
Until battery technology gets even better, and cheaper, it's just not a viable option for most.
 
How many of us can afford a 90k car to save money on fuel? And at that cost, how much would you really save? You'd have to drive that car for many years/miles to make up the difference in price.
This is true. I dont understand all of these folks selling their current cars to get a hybrid. Save a bit on fuel and have a new car payment.

I am thinking of buying a nice gas guzzler. They are cheap as hell right now and since I only drive 6 miles per day, I don't really care what the price of fuel costs. I only fill up my Jeep every few weeks...and it gets 14mpg.:ror:
 
I like to look at the value of a US dollar over this course of time where gas prices have increased.
 
This is true. I dont understand all of these folks selling their current cars to get a hybrid. Save a bit on fuel and have a new car payment.

I am thinking of buying a nice gas guzzler. They are cheap as hell right now and since I only drive 6 miles per day, I don't really care what the price of fuel costs. I only fill up my Jeep every few weeks...and it gets 14mpg.:ror:

We recently considered getting rid of our 2 SUV's (Chevy Trailblazer 19mpg average and Jeep Liberty 18mpg ave) and getting 1 car like a Ford Fusion or a Subura, each one of those cars are rated @ about 25-26 mpg. We did the math and figuring the TrailBlazer is paid off but they will only give us $5000 for a trade in and knowing that we would go $2000 upside down on the Liberty it would take us Approx 7 years to recoup the gas savings. Now given the other cost like Insurance etc would help. My point is, if you dont drive 100 miles a day then even @ $4 a gallon the savings you see from going to a more fuel efficent car is pointless. Then to top it off, companies have realized that fuel efficentcy sells and have made sure their prices reflect. A year ago if you wanted a 94 4cyl Ranger you could find them for $500-$1000, made them great for race trucks, I just looked on Craigslist for one, $3800 isnt an uncommon price, and right at the top "Gas Saver".
If they realy want us to "Go Green", reduce our "carbon footprint" and reduce our dependecy on foreign oil, the Goverment needs to set up a program similar to what Brazil and Ireland did when they wanted their populations to buy newer cars. Both countries offered buy back programs and big incentives. Brazil in particular basically cut the price of the new car in half if you were buying an E85 car. It worked so well for them that they have totally ended importation of foreign oil and you can get e85 gas there for as low as 19 cents a gallon (coworker just returned from there, this isnt some internet rumor) Now if you want regular gas there its over $4 a gallon just like here. I know here in the states we dont have large sugar cain fields we can use to make our biofuels from but, why cant they do the same incentive programs for electric cars/hybrids. Chevy's new "Volt" comes out next year (2010 model year) but, what it going to cost? $40k? and what will they offer you for your gas vehicle for a trade in?
 
Republicans think they can change the world by yelling on an internet forum for rc rock crawlers and telling one of the most spun stories I have ever heard "thumbsup"

Hmm...a car company makes an electric car that goes 200mph and goes 250 miles per charge and YOUR yelling about the dems not wanting to dig up the ol black gold...Does anyone else see a problem here or am I the only sane one in the room?
Electric cars are pushed to be better for the enviorment, but everyone seems to forget that batteries are one of the worst things for the enviorment. We need to drill here and control our own future and not rely on other countries.
 
I laugh, more politics in this thread then anyone knows what to do with. Everyone has an opinion and most think theirs is right.

If it was an easy solution, it would be done by now.
 
It's high time we start drilling in Alaska, drilling off shore, and start building more nuclear power plants.

That would certainly help freetime we also need to be more responsible about energy use. 63% of all energy used in America including oil is in the constructing of commercial buildings, homes, infrastructure and supporting their use. The balance is manufacturing and personal transportation. Change is going to happen it can't be reversed. It's now controlled by world demographics and supply and demand for oil and other non renewable energy sources. American politics or what we think, believe or don't believe will have little affect on this situation only what we do and the directions we take will affect our future. I truly believe the biggest current problem escalating the cost of a barrel of crude is the problem of the devalued US dollar and the weak condition of our economy. Until the US dollar and our economy strengthens the cost of a barrel of crude will continue to rise. Good news is oil prices will improve as soon as the US economy and value of the US dollar recover.
 
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I was just telling my wife last night we should ditch our 2005 Mazda6 and just drive my '87 K5 Blazer for a DD. Sure I get half the mileage but no payment and cheaper insurance would mean I save about $400/month.
 
This is true. I dont understand all of these folks selling their current cars to get a hybrid. Save a bit on fuel and have a new car payment.

I am thinking of buying a nice gas guzzler. They are cheap as hell right now and since I only drive 6 miles per day, I don't really care what the price of fuel costs. I only fill up my Jeep every few weeks...and it gets 14mpg.:ror:

Just a suggestion with that little distance to go why not try walking or cycling to work? would save you even more.

I cycle to word daily minus the days the weather is bad 13 miles round trip, work 6 am to 4:30 pm.

Personally I feel we as Americans have done this to ourselves, we refuse to be inconvenienced, we live way outside our means and blame others for what we have done.

Why do we drive a block to get a soda when we could walk? Why does my ECONOMY car have a 0-60 time on the adds? I didn't buy it to drag race I want to save money and gas.

Ok getting down off my box now, just something to think of.

Matthew (Gyyro) DePriest...:idea:
 
Just a suggestion with that little distance to go why not try walking or cycling to work? would save you even more.
Don't think I haven't thought of that. But me riding down the side of an 8 lane freeway in a button up shirt and tie might bring out the cops. Also, I'm not sure my coworkers would like me showing up sweaty and smelly.

My commute is not very conducive to that type of travel. I do however, usually walk down to the bank and/or to get lunch, among other errands near work and home.
 
My neighbor actually gets in her car and drives to the mailbox to check her mail and the mailbox is 1 house away from hers! I either pick it up on the way back to the house or walk my dog down the street to ours. My wife walks the 1 mile to work and I would ride a bicycle if I worked on this island.
 
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