Seriously, why are Libs against guns and their owners?

[KJ10]

Let's try to keep this discussion semi-civil!

I read stories like the following, a lot. I usually refrain from posting "political" stuff here but, dammit! I'm tired of our rights being stepped on.

https://guntalk.com/news/politics/s..._20_2017)&mc_cid=4bb415b573&mc_eid=7f8e2a86bf

Responsible gun owners and shooters are treated, by law, in ways that other identifiable groups would never stand for. Get a permit for free speech? Have financial services denied through a government program (Operation Choke Point)? Be required to be photographed, fingerprinted, and have a mandatory background check to exercise what clearly is a fundamental right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights?

There would be nationwide rioting if the gov imposed a $200 tax on free speech or voting, but if it's a firearm accessory, we're expected to accept it like they're GIVING us something!

Sorry, this is mostly due to the hassle I'm going through to buy a silencer that I made, myself! :roll: Just makes me mad.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Command and control are impossible over a citizenry that can fight back.

 

[BJoe]

Considering that the Constitution calls for a well regulated militia might have something to do with it. Licensing, training, and making sure people who aren't a couple french fries short of a Happy Meal and might go on killing sprees, people who get pissed off because a work truck it in front of their house then decide to unload 18 rounds into a Super Duty with an operator in the cherry picker mounted on it for said crime, or a bunch gang bangers shooting up the west side of a major city with firearms trucked in from states that will sell to anybody who can fog a mirror and don't care that any of the guns they are selling could be used to kill a toddler and/their grandmother a few weeks later could be considered the "Well Regulated" part of the Second Amendment.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

Considering that the Constitution calls for a well regulated militia might have something to do with it. Licensing, training, and making sure people who aren't a couple french fries short of a Happy Meal and might go on killing sprees, people who get pissed off because a work truck it in front of their house then decide to unload 18 rounds into a Super Duty with an operator in the cherry picker mounted on it for said crime, or a bunch gang bangers shooting up the west side of a major city with firearms trucked in from states that will sell to anybody who can fog a mirror and don't care that any of the guns they are selling could be used to kill a toddler and/their grandmother a few weeks later could be considered the "Well Regulated" part of the Second Amendment.

Lots of anecdotes and headlines. Good to see the Chicago arguments still have such substance.

 

[dezfan]

Gun Control.

It isn't about guns.

It's about control.

Once you disarm a populace, they are powerless to oppose whatever it is their "leaders" wish to impose.

 

[dezfan]

Considering that the Constitution calls for a well regulated militia might have something to do with it. Licensing, training, and making sure people who aren't a couple french fries short of a Happy Meal and might go on killing sprees, people who get pissed off because a work truck it in front of their house then decide to unload 18 rounds into a Super Duty with an operator in the cherry picker mounted on it for said crime, or a bunch gang bangers shooting up the west side of a major city with firearms trucked in from states that will sell to anybody who can fog a mirror and don't care that any of the guns they are selling could be used to kill a toddler and/their grandmother a few weeks later could be considered the "Well Regulated" part of the Second Amendment.

America's freedom and liberty was established by anti-big government gun owners with "unregistered assault rifles," the individual men of the local militias of the several states.

The Greek philosopher Aristotle proclaimed 2,300 years ago that the prevalence of privately owned weapons was the best indicator of whether a nation was free. It is still a true measure of freedom today. Free men own guns, slaves do not.

The United States Code (the laws of Congress) states in 10 USC 311(a) that, "The Militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age..." The US Supreme Court ruled in US v. Miller that when called into action the militia was to show up "bearing arms supplied by themselves..." Black's Law Dictionary defines militia as, "The body of citizens in a state" and not the "regular troops of a standing army." The militia is distinctly different from the National Guard or the US military forces.

Our Founding Fathers warned that the militia must never be replaced by a standing army. Today, our nation has the world's most powerful military; 57 government agencies carry guns and most have their own SWAT teams; and local police are trained in para-military operations.

As our Founding Fathers warned - the demise of the militia and rise of a standing army would spell the end of freedom and liberty.

 

[dkf]

Considering that the Constitution calls for a well regulated militia might have something to do with it. Licensing, training, and making sure people who aren't a couple french fries short of a Happy Meal and might go on killing sprees, people who get pissed off because a work truck it in front of their house then decide to unload 18 rounds into a Super Duty with an operator in the cherry picker mounted on it for said crime, or a bunch gang bangers shooting up the west side of a major city with firearms trucked in from states that will sell to anybody who can fog a mirror and don't care that any of the guns they are selling could be used to kill a toddler and/their grandmother a few weeks later could be considered the "Well Regulated" part of the Second Amendment.

You obviously have no idea what "well regulated" meant when the constitution was drafted and signed.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

How exactly are the citizens going to form a proper "well regulated" militia to take on a tyrannical government if the government has taken away and limited those arms they have the right to bear? They can't. As far as I am concerned we already have the definition of a tyrannical government in place.

 

[Habanero]

Libtards notwithstanding ( I LOVE this reference because my own daughter is a "TARD" someone born that way and so is worthy of derision) most anti-gun folks don't necessarily want to go oppress rednecks somewhere they don't care about.

It's about how a mentally deranged kid can go mow down a ****ing preschool YOU HAVE TO BE ****ING KIDDING ME! RIGHT? Sandy Hook. Also Columbine...

Did you know these things happened? This happens WAY more often (you might notice) than the redcoats showing up at your door demanding your guns and wheat to feed their army.

 

[dkf]

Looks like someone needs to go find their "safe space".:ror:

 

[Meatwad]

Look at how many people die each year from heart disease... I mean anyone can just go buy forks, spoons and a baby back rib burger.

 

[NoobCrawler]

Libtards notwithstanding ( I LOVE this reference because my own daughter is a "TARD" someone born that way and so is worthy of derision) most anti-gun folks don't necessarily want to go oppress rednecks somewhere they don't care about.

It's about how a mentally deranged kid can go mow down a ****ing preschool YOU HAVE TO BE ****ING KIDDING ME! RIGHT? Sandy Hook. Also Columbine...

Did you know these things happened? This happens WAY more often (you might notice) than the redcoats showing up at your door demanding your guns and wheat to feed their army.

Please, go on...how did Columbine & Sandy Hook happen?

I'll give you an idea on one of them: Columbine. I could be mistaken(but I don't believe I am) that the two kids who perpetrated it asked an of age friend to buy them guns, she did...clearly. So tell me, which law was it that was supposed to stop this female with a clean sheet from buying a gun? Should the store have hooked her up to a lie detector to ask why she's buying it? Oh, better make it two tests, just to be safe.

As to the question at hand, they attack the guns & the responsible ones because that's all they know how to do. They don't have any answers or solutions to curbing gun violence, so they attack the weapons instead. Those would be the loud mouths who don't actually do anything. I know there are people who truly care about this issue but aren't making a stink, they're just doing what they can to fix things.

 

[KJ10]

Look at how many people die each year from heart disease... I mean anyone can just go buy forks, spoons and a baby back rib burger.

or a car

 

[KJ10]

Considering that the Constitution calls for a well regulated militia might have something to do with it. Licensing, training, and making sure people who aren't a couple french fries short of a Happy Meal and might go on killing sprees, people who get pissed off because a work truck it in front of their house then decide to unload 18 rounds into a Super Duty with an operator in the cherry picker mounted on it for said crime, or a bunch gang bangers shooting up the west side of a major city with firearms trucked in from states that will sell to anybody who can fog a mirror and don't care that any of the guns they are selling could be used to kill a toddler and/their grandmother a few weeks later could be considered the "Well Regulated" part of the Second Amendment.

First, you obviously have no idea how the process of buying a gun (or punctuation) works. Also, you have bought into what your local politicians and the msm have been feeding you. The types of scenarios you describe don't happen in a society where ANYONE could be legally armed. Look at any state that has passed Constitutional carry.

 

[WHITE-TRASH]

or a car

Or alcohol abuse, smoking, bad genetics etc. Let's ban everything so nobody dies!! :lmao:

 

[hodge5]

Or alcohol abuse, smoking, bad genetics etc. Let's ban everything so nobody dies!! :lmao:

Or knives, explosives, acid... look at Europe currently. It isn't the weapon, it's the human being using it. I read a statistic, recently, stating that there are over 100,000 stabbings a year in England (this could be correct, or elaborated- regardless, knives are the weapon of choice in England). That's higher than shooting statistics here in the States.
It's a human problem, not a gun issue.

 

[Ditchrat]

Gun Control.

It isn't about guns.

It's about control.

Once you disarm a populace, they are powerless to oppose whatever it is their "leaders" wish to impose.

Dam straight. The whole purpose for a "well regulated militia" isn't that the citizenry isn't prepared for a foreign incursion, its that we stand as a check to governmental over reach.

The government is supposed to consider armed rebellion when they create laws and govern.

 

[CM9000]

cant ban lacquer thinner, diesel fuel, or Q16.

 

[dkf]

Please, go on...how did Columbine & Sandy Hook happen?

I'll give you an idea on one of them: Columbine. I could be mistaken(but I don't believe I am) that the two kids who perpetrated it asked an of age friend to buy them guns, she did...clearly. So tell me, which law was it that was supposed to stop this female with a clean sheet from buying a gun? Should the store have hooked her up to a lie detector to ask why she's buying it? Oh, better make it two tests, just to be safe.

As to the question at hand, they attack the guns & the responsible ones because that's all they know how to do. They don't have any answers or solutions to curbing gun violence, so they attack the weapons instead. Those would be the loud mouths who don't actually do anything. I know there are people who truly care about this issue but aren't making a stink, they're just doing what they can to fix things.

You are correct on the friend buying the guns for them.

The Sandy Hook shooter stole the guns he used.

 

[Meatwad]

cant ban lacquer thinner, diesel fuel, or Q16.

Think of the children, ban everything that is bad.

 

[JatoTheRipper]

People that are afraid of guns are stupid. It's as simple as that.

Guns don't kill people without a person controlling it. It's an inanimate object. Without a human it's less dangerous than a tree. Why do I say that? Because a tree can lose a limb or fall over and kill you. What is a gun on a nightstand going to do to you? Absolutely nothing.