OS builds a CC02

[OSRC]

Sorry, I disagree. As of right now, it's not easily fixed. It's sloppy in general, and has terrible bump steer. Mounting the servo rigidly and offset in the chassis and 4 linking the front axle is never going to work out well. Either the servo should be on the axle or the axle should have a panhard. Mine's never even been run yet and it has a good amount of slop. After some running, it'll be as bad or worse than the '01. I can certainly modify it, and I'm sure I will eventually, but frankly I'm very disappointed.

There's zero reasons for it... Tamiya's engineers couldn't come up with something better? I understand it's not a pro crawler - I never expected it to be. This is Tamiya we're talking about... home of the Comical Hornet, Wild Willy, Kumamann DT02 and the funky trike thing. But it's also home to the Bruiser with an amazing transmission, The amazing Avante and countless TRF touring kits. So I know there's excellent engineering to be had. It's like there are 2 separate divisions, and they are not allowed to interact!

In any case, how this kit got out the door with it's overly complicated chassis, glue on parts and craptastic steering design I'll never know. It's like they took a CR01, made it 2x more complicated, ruined the geometry, shrunk it down to 1/10 size, and called it good. I expected better. Based on the fact that so far, krapulax and Matteo are the only 2 I've seen build threads, videos, or any activity on, I'm guessing word got out and I'm not the only one being critical.

Ok, I've ranted enough. Time to go wrench on something.

BTW krapulax - Start a thread and post some pics! Very curious to to see your portal setup!

 

[themountain]

Sorry, I disagree. As of right now, it's not easily fixed. It's sloppy in general, and has terrible bump steer. Mounting the servo rigidly and offset in the chassis and 4 linking the front axle is never going to work out well. Either the servo should be on the axle or the axle should have a panhard. Mine's never even been run yet and it has a good amount of slop. After some running, it'll be as bad or worse than the '01. I can certainly modify it, and I'm sure I will eventually, but frankly I'm very disappointed.

There's zero reasons for it... Tamiya's engineers couldn't come up with something better? I understand it's not a pro crawler - I never expected it to be. This is Tamiya we're talking about... home of the Comical Hornet, Wild Willy, Kumamann DT02 and the funky trike thing. But it's also home to the Bruiser with an amazing transmission, The amazing Avante and countless TRF touring kits. So I know there's excellent engineering to be had. It's like there are 2 separate divisions, and they are not allowed to interact!

In any case, how this kit got out the door with it's overly complicated chassis, glue on parts and craptastic steering design I'll never know. It's like they took a CR01, made it 2x more complicated, ruined the geometry, shrunk it down to 1/10 size, and called it good. I expected better. Based on the fact that so far, krapulax and Matteo are the only 2 I've seen build threads, videos, or any activity on, I'm guessing word got out and I'm not the only one being critical.

Ok, I've ranted enough. Time to go wrench on something.

BTW krapulax - Start a thread and post some pics! Very curious to to see your portal setup!

:shock::shock::shock:

 

[JatoTheRipper]

The glue on parts are inexcusable. Maybe that was OK back in the 1970's when they made the XR311 and molding and plastics technology were much different. It's not acceptable now. The plastic bushings are also inexcuasable, but Tamiya does what they want. Hopefully this CC02 tanks and they learn a lesson. Tamiya fans are so rabid though that even this will probably be a success. I don't keep a pulse on those fans though. You probably have a better idea about that. BTW, did your thread on Tamiya Club ever get approved?

 

[OSRC]

BTW, did your thread on Tamiya Club ever get approved?

Yes, took 3 weeks. My other one took 24 hours, I assume it was due to the holidays, nothing nefarious on their part.

 

[krapulax]

I agree with the steering problems, but like I said, I mounted my servo on the axle so a major source of problems was killed right there. Not what you would like to have to do for a kit straight out of the box, but relatively simple to do. With the ball cups I mentioned I also got rid of any slop. I am used to Tamiya slop and have a long record of shimming it out, including on their TRF TC cars where I agree again, it is inexcusable. Keep in mind, the TRF competitors (you know who they are) have dealt with slop back 20 years ago.

As for the rest, the CC02 kit seems surprisingly hard to get hold of. Not sure why, maybe they want to keep supply limited to keep the price up? In Oz where I am there is only one place that has one kit in stock and it's over 300$. Even on the web prices are not much lower and when you add postage, they get well above that even from HK.

Parts are also difficult to find as well (I built my car out of parts) for some reason (maybe the same). I did find however a few good places in Europe where they have decent stock of everything (they are Tamiya dealers) so ordered it all there but postage was painfully slow and rather costly.

My personal opinion of the kit is that it could have been better easily, but it could have been worse as well. I did not glue anything, the nuts and whatnot they recommend gluing for stay put anyhow, or you can put a screw through to keep them in place until you assemble the thing. That is what I have done where it was possible/necessary.

Overall, I think it is quite capable (keep in mind I have also extended the suspension) and all things considered it's a Tamiya as we all have come to know it. No regrets here and I have already put it through a few "trials".

One last comment, if you want to put a Unimog 406 body on it you will need to adjust the wheelbase to its shortest. If you also want to keep the body drill points where Tamiya has located them the shock top brackets need to go out all the way past the front axle, at which point the front shocks are angled back beyond reason. So much so that they barely function in this position. I have a complete set of spares on the way, so I will use another extra pair of shock top brackets only to bring the shocks back where they should be. I accept this is my problem, I just don't like the G wagen body. The Landcruiser body I used at first is a lot easier to fit, no problems there.

 

[krapulax]

Ha.

Tried to open a thread as suggested, guess what?! I can't post pictures.

How many posts do I need to post pictures?

 

[OSRC]

Dunno, I never post them here. I upload to a third party site and then link them. I use Postimage, it's fantastic.

 

[krapulax]

Thank you.

How do they appear open then? Is that to do with Postimage? I mean if I were to use another hosting site would they appear open or they may just appear as a link? This site recommends photobucket (or there is a "How to " thread that recommends that).

 

[OSRC]

Photobucket used to be the norm, till they got new owners and started charging hundreds a dollars a year. I really like Postimage - simple and no BS.

Once uploaded, you can copy the hotlink for forums, which links back to the Postimage page such as this picture of me, seeing all the nutsert steps in the CC02 manual:


I personally copy the direct link and put IMG tags around it for a cleaner post. Here's a pic of myself studying the stock steering geometry.

Be sure to resize pics to 800x600 on upload, or do it before uploading.

 

[krapulax]

Right. I'll give it a shot.

See the other thread and thanks for help.

 

[j0e]

...frankly I'm very disappointed...
...I'm guessing word got out and I'm not the only one being critical...

Stinks to hear this.
If OS doesn't like a Tamiya kit, I know I don't need it!