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Off Roaders Unite! Need Help

TEAM DEBEAD

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On January 1, 2013 new laws will go into effect in California that greatly limit who can ride in the state's definition of an OHV, which includes all Side by Sides. I just found out about a bill that Governor Brown already signed:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/bill/asm/ab_1551-1600/ab_1595_bill_20120724_chaptered.pdf

This bill requires anyone riding in an OHV, can be a dune buggy, Jeep, or side by side, to wear a helmet. This one isn't a big deal. I don't necessarily agree with it, I think people should have a choice when they have a roll cage surrounding them. But it's the other parts that are bad for anyone with kids or for anyone who has a disability like dwarfism or amputations. I described the sections in a letter I sent to the governor.

Via this link http://gov.ca.gov/m_contact.php , I am asking for any off road enthusiasts to copy and paste what I wrote and send a letter too. Or if you want to write something different, be my guest :mrgreen: If we don't stop things like this, it won't be long before we won't have anywhere in Cali to be an off road enthusiast, all our toys will be banned!

Dear Governor Brown,
I was very saddened to learn today that you signed and approved this bill, Assembly Bill No. 1595, specifically because of CHAPTER 165 ( http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/..._chaptered.pdf ). Unfortunately this misguided tax bill has turned into a bill that will greatly limit the enjoyment and use of Off Highway Vehicles within the state of California. The new regulations to be enforced on OHVs will greatly limit the activities that families can do together and waste a lot of people's hard earned money. As you very well know times are economically tough, and people have to spend their money very carefully. To refresh your memory on a portion of this bill, specifically targeting OHVs, which includes side by sides:

38603. A person operating a recreational off-highway vehicle shall not
allow a passenger to occupy a separate seat location not designed and
provided by the manufacturer for a passenger.

Many companies have been making after market rear passenger seats for the Yamaha Rhino, a Side by Side, for years. These seats are installed the same way a seat is installed into a car or pickup truck, bolted to the vehicle and providing the proper seat belt and /or harnesses required by law. This new bill makes these seats illegal because they are not manufactured by Yamaha. So anyone who has bought a 2 seater Rhino and added the extra seats in order to take the entire family on a ride, will no longer be allowed to use those rear passenger seats. Families will no longer be able to enjoy spending time together. Manufacturers who make these seats will now lose out on the entire market of California, costing the state thousands, if not millions of dollars in sales taxes. Jobs may even come into question if these companies no longer have a market to sell their product. Those who bought one of these vehicles to make sure they could take the whole family out, will now have to see a waste of money sitting in front of them. There are manufacturer produced 4 seater OHVs available, but they are very pricey and tough for families to afford in this economy. And how do they sell what they currently have to a market where it's illegal to use it?

Another portion of this bill will greatly effect people with disabilities:

38604. A person operating a recreational off-highway vehicle shall not
ride with a passenger, unless the passenger, while seated upright with his
or her back against the seatback with both feet flat on the floorboard, can
grasp the occupant handhold with the seatbelt and shoulder belt or safety
harness properly fastened.

Any person with dwarfism and/or amputated limbs will now be excluded from enjoying the state of California in an OHV, as described in the bill. There have been harnesses, specifically manufactured for OHVs, that will hold a person tightly in their seat, if properly fastened, in the event of a crash, even a rollover. People of limited stature or with disabilities can ride in complete safety and comfort with these harnesses installed, yet this bill will force them to have to reach the floor and a safety handle, which they will never be able to do. Therefore, you are telling them that they cannot ride.

Anyone with small children will now have to leave their children behind when they go for a ride because of this portion of the bill. Currently, it is possible for people to install a child safety seat, approved for all California motor vehicles, in order to take their children with them in an OHV. When the new bill you approved becomes a law on January 1, 2013, this will no longer be legal. Millions of families that enjoy outdoor activities that include using OHVs may stop vacationing in California because of this new bill. It may push tourism to neighboring states where the laws don't prevent families from spending time together. People may stop using their OHVs all together, lowering the annual income that our state parks and BLM managed lands bring in.

Off road enthusiasts believe in safety, especially when it comes to the safety of their families. But this bill was written without families in mind and doesn't allow for the safety measures in use already to be utilized any longer. Please, for the sake of all the OHV enthusiasts that live in the great state of California, rescind this bill. Rewrite it to ensure that all people, regardless of disabilities, can enjoy OHVs with the entire family. Don't let people feel that they just bought something that will be illegal and useless in 6 months, don't let jobs get cut, and don't let California lose out on the billions of dollars spent on the off road lifestyle.

Hoping for change,

(your name here)
 
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TEAM DEBEAD said:
Via this link governor@governor.ca.gov, I am asking for any off road enthusiasts to copy and paste what I wrote and send a letter too. Or if you want to write something different, be my guest If we don't stop things like this, it won't be long before we won't have anywhere in Cali to be an off road enthusiast, all our toys will be banned!

Done - thanks for your efforts and the heads up. "thumbsup"
 
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Have to love the internet trolls who love to whine (see: promote their own agenda ) but don't actually give two shits about doing anything about it. :flipoff: Have you ever ventured out of slinging shit in chit chat Fez?


Have to love dumb ass college kids who ASSUME they are knowledgable.

So other than growing up and living in the Southern California desert for 35+ years, other than running a part time desert tours business, other than spending more time at the dunes than you've spent getting your education, other than spending more time attending desert races across the South Western US and Mexico, other than being a member of the Blue Ribbon Coalition, other than being a member of CORVA (California Off Road Vehicle Association), other than attending more BLM meeting than I care to remember, other than writting 1000s of letters to politicians, I guess not much.:roll:



I lived it numb nuts! I've watched the destruction of our rights to access PUBLIC LANDS! I was there when our ORV registration money was used against us to close those lands to us, I was there when the Liberal environmental whack jobs used the courts and Liberal judges to keep us off of PUBLIC LANDS with one gimmick after another.

So tell me again, what were you saying? It's hard to understand you with your foot in your mouth!

BTW: Glad to help Debead.
 
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Have to love dumb ass college kids who ASSUME they are knowledgable.

So other than growing up and living in the Southern California desert for 35+ years, other than running a part time desert tours business, other than spending more time at the dunes than you've spent getting your education, other than spending more time attending desert races across the South Western US and Mexico, other than being a member of the Blue Ribbon Coalition, other than being a member of CORVA (California Off Road Vehicle Association), other than attending more BLM meeting than I care to remember, other than writting 1000s of letters to politicians, I guess not much.:roll:

blah blah blah

I lived it numb nuts! I've watched the destruction of our rights to access PUBLIC LANDS! I was there when our ORV registration money was used against us to close those lands to us, I was there when the Liberal environmental whack jobs used the courts and Liberal judges to keep us off of PUBLIC LANDS with one gimmick after another.

So tell me again, what were you saying? It's hard to understand you with your foot in your mouth!



All that and you're still the biggest troll on RcCrawler; no wonder you consider yourself so accomplished. ;-)

Write me when you have something to contribute to the conversation (or lack thereof when you're involved).
 
All that and you're still the biggest troll on RcCrawler; no wonder you consider yourself so accomplished. ;-)

Write me when you have something to contribute to the conversation (or lack thereof when you're involved).

Gosh, I remember when I was 22 and knew everything too.:ror:

20 years from now when you have a clue, I'll write you."thumbsup"
 
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Yeah, my home-state has gone around the liberal bend on a lot of things, this is just another in a LONG string.
 
I lived it numb nuts! I've watched the destruction of our rights to access PUBLIC LANDS! I was there when our ORV registration money was used against us to close those lands to us, I was there when the Liberal environmental whack jobs used the courts and Liberal judges to keep us off of PUBLIC LANDS with one gimmick after another.

When I was stationed at Camp Pendelton back in '86-'91, I loved going out to Glamis for a fun filled weekend or the occasional day trip to Ocotillo Wells. I witnessed the demise of accessibility of public lands, under the guise of 'resource potection' by the self righteous libi-tards know as the sierra club. While they were busy trying to close all access to the public, they were still out in those same areas, riding the same 'environmental destroying' 3 and 4 wheelers and sand rails that they deemed unfit for the earth.:roll: All those ass clowns wanted was their own private, 'members only' club on public lands. It seems that nothing has changed in the 25 years since I was there.

"thumbsup""thumbsup" for continuing the fight for public access, I honestly hope your efforts have a positive outcome.
 
Just wanted to update everyone on how the fight for freedom is going. I've been on the RZR forums a lot, the members there are definitely fired up. One of them posted this today:
"Another Update UPDATE!!!!

I spoke to Tim Itnyre - Legislative Director. He said they realize now they made a mistake and made the requirements so stringent, that it discriminated against young children or people who have other circumstances where they cant reach the floor. He said they are working to strike 38604. A person operating a recreational off-highway vehicle shall not ride with a passenger, unless the passenger, while seated upright with his or her back against the seatback with both feet flat on the floorboard, can
grasp the occupant handhold with the seatbelt and shoulder belt or safety
harness properly fastened


And not only that they are going to strike down 38603. A person operating a recreational off-highway vehicle shall not allow a passenger to occupy a separate seat location not designed and provided by the manufacturer for a passenger.

The plan is to have this done in the next 4 weeks while Legislation is in office and they can have the Governor sign the amended bill. If this can not happen in time, they will contact all the Parks and BLM service and explain to not enforce this new law as it is in the process of being amended. The original intent was to categorize these new mass production manufactured vehicles and enforce a helmet and restraint law. he did not say this was pushed by the manufactures, but I guessed that was what he was getting at.

So keep the calls going as this will continue to put the pressure on them to get this amended before closing and the first of the year when the law would be in effect."

Hopefully if it holds true, it's proof that these emails and calls people ask for really can make a difference "thumbsup"
 
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