~~ MNRCRC 2015 Comp #3 - June 14th - Taylors Falls ~~

[SFC K]

Thanks for the clarification Dana. I did not mean to derail this thread. Now that you have explained this, it does make sense. I don't mind coming out and hanging out anyways. It makes for a great time to go trail riding while waiting for the 1.9s to start and taking pictures of the other classes. "thumbsup"



Hope you all have another great turn out and don't forget pictures. "thumbsup"

 

[djjiz]

Just my two cents..

You can still build a cheater scaler if thats your thing, just look at norms rig. Its not to far off from his old sportsmans rig in terms of performance.

Shots fired.

 

[Stormin2u]

Just my two cents on the sportsmans class

With all of that said, you can still build a cheater scaler if thats your thing, just look at norms rig. Its not to far off from his old sportsmans rig in terms of performance.

Mike I'm not following your logic and what our rig has to do with a Sporty Class discussion?

We drive a pretty simple 2.2 SCX10 with nothing fancy at all? But I'm a little flattered that you think it's a cheater because it won a class? Can you tell us what you think is so illegal or makes our truck a cheater based on the current rules?

Let me be clear to the club cheating is not something I ever considered as Mike implied. But yes we were pleased with it's performance at the last comp.

 

[Etype R]

Nothing illegal about it, its simply a lightweight rig with the right performance mods and some proper tuning. Don't take offence when we call your rig a cheater rig, its more of a jest then anything. You know how to build awesome trucks that work.

People call my FJ a cheater rig as well

 

[Stormin2u]

Nothing illegal about it, its simply a lightweight rig with the right performance mods and some proper tuning. Don't take offense when we call your rig a cheater rig, its more of a jest then anything. You know how to build awesome trucks that work.

People call my FJ a cheater rig as well

Thanks Mike it caught me off guard I was a little concerned I don't ever want to be associated with cheating at any level that's not how I think or who I am.

The last two comps of last year as a new truck it wasn't very good at all and I was disappointed in it. I told Big Chuck he could borrow it for his run but warned him it was very light and I didn't know how it would run? He later came across the parking lot at me with this huge smile on face telling me he'd "WON" and how great it performed I was very pleased.

 

[dna4engr]

People call my FJ a cheater rig as well

I just call it ugly

 

[diesel kawboy]

Nobody really pays attention to Mike anyway.

 

[Stormin2u]

Back to the discussion of a Sporty class. IMO we have a great performing program in place currently. Our three classes all offer a different crawling experience. We are very satisfied with the classes although its a long day but a very good one. Another class would pushing our comp day show out another hour or more?

All those years of MOA, Sporty and MRCs and USRCCA rules produced few potential new members. Lets face it we had just about zero club growth for many years.

To us its all about building, driving and competing and thats best done in a robust membership. Its hard to get excited about a four or five car class.

I'd say the comps have gotten better in the last two years. The last comp was the best in many years no question. The program works by appealing to a much larger group its really simple.

Never the less we have a few drivers who compete at the national level as a club we need to help them stay tuned up. I'd suggest allowing them to run their comp level Shafty rigs as practice on the MOA course after the MOA class has run with both timing and judging.

Ours is a program "that turns no one away on any given comp day" and its working!!!! It needs no adjustments IMO. It's also proving that to many rules USRCCA or SORCCA do more damage than good at the club level. Our competitions are better than ever before with our simple class guidelines.

90% of people involved in RC Crawling really have no interest in anything beyond local club events thats fine with us. There are ways to support our members who travel to the big events so their at their very best when they compete it involves very little extra effort.

We really can't afford to use USRCCA or SORCCA rules they both handicap local club membership by being way to specific.

Buy the way the 2.2 Comp Shafty class was always my favorite. The MRCs were and are totally redundant. The scale competition has been our growth engine and our simple guidelines rules work amazingly well without turning anyone away and the competition has never been any better.

 

[CmdrZod]

Well said Norm!

 

[gndcampion5]

We are changing our name to Team Tom Brady. Cheaters to the end!

 

[gndcampion5]

OK then, only one of us is a cheater. Keep a close eye on my scorecard.

 

[djjiz]

In.

 

[barrybelvedere]

All make good points. Except the one one where some of the sporty's are able to keep up with some of the pro rigs. Some of our pro rigs are way over engineered. I just wanted some of the sporty drivers to have a more fair comp experience where there are no climbs that require dig or burn to maneuver thru the gates. I like the way things are being run. No complaints here! You guys are a barrel-of-fun!

I also don't think reeling in on-lookers is how more people decide to start crawling. It is due to the fact that there is more scale type rigs to choose from in the hobby stores. Besides I think it makes for more fun when the attendance is smaller. More courses to be ran for fewer rigs.

Since there is around 10 pro rigs... Instead of running only two courses there should be three. And because there are like 30 scalers there should only be two not so difficult courses.

It seems that the pro drivers seem to show up early/on time anyways... So i say that when the first pro rig drivers are done running the first two (not so difficult courses) we go on to a third that is wayyy to difficult to be re-used as a scaler course. And the scalers do not move on to the third course only the pro rigs. And Judged/ran by the pro drivers that are not running scalers. If needed I will have the extra gates, clipboard, timer, chalk, I also have boundaries. I was the Louisville crawler club founder/Prez. So i still have all the equipment and its not being put to use.

By the way I will have An "AMX" Chassis with me for sale. (Same as the one i am running)It is one of the best Pro chassis you can get your grubby hands on. It uses the the same links that any of the pro rigs that are there are using. (with a few link adjustments) Anybody looking to step up their pro rigs performance needs this chassis. I also still have a few pairs of motor guards and scx-10 rear 4-link plates.

 

[djjiz]

Attendance got too small and scale trucks saved local comp crawling. It's not really a argument.

And as much as I like seeing the same faces it's new blood that gets me inspired to keep building. If we did this to impress a few of our friends it wouldn't be that much fun.

 

[djjiz]

I'm in on a 4 link plate as long as it's thicker than 3mm

 

[Orange58Crush]

I'm with Chad. Scale is a blast. The Beast isn't really scale, but I tried! It has a definite weight disadvantage when running it thru chinos at TF, but at Byron it shines, metaphorically. I could drag three of Norm's rigs, sans batteries, thru the course down there.

When I bought my scx10 Honcho rtr, it quickly became my favorite. 3s right out of the gate, I put 2.2 Grabbers on it and raised the top shock mounts to fit the fenders and ran it all over the snow, no problem. Took off the Honcho body and turned it into Clyde.

Now Clyde's drivetrain is under an official GI Joe jeep, a '42 Willys MB2A, if I remember correctly. Brushless thru a metal geared scx10 tranny and an RC4WD 2.17:1 tranfer case and the stock axles...never cracked open. Still running the original dogbones! The scales of this rig is f'n awesome! Two Joes and a trailer full of scale cap, perfect! And damn near perfect in its scale abilities. And I'm sure not only would it finish last, or not at all, I'd probably fubar it permanently!

Just my opinion. If I had to give one up, the XR would go, no question or debate.

 

[barrybelvedere]

They are 3mm thick.

 

[Stormin2u]

Barry ... I like the idea of a third Pro course myself but I reckon it won't happen this season. We will have a club meeting in the late fall where new agendas and changes will be proposed for 2016, discussed then voted on by the membership. By doing it in the fall any necessary equipment changes can get handled in the off season.

We have adopted the "more is merrier" approach to club building turning no one away on comp day. As you've experienced it takes the whole day to get everyone through three classes. Proving you have to be careful of what you wish for JK. I'll bet it's going to hard making any changes to our current "show" at the present time. The MNRCRC hasn't experienced this level of participation in it's 10 year history so it's a work in process IMO.

You and Mitch both moving to MN. this past year with all your crawling history is a wonderful opportunity for us to learn from you both. To get two new members with the RC crawling background you both have is a big bonus to our club. "thumbsup"

 

[barrybelvedere]

Which one was Mitch? What was he running?

 

[Stormin2u]

Mitch is MSD44 he's from Albuquerque New Mexico they have a large club there home of Ottsix and VooDoo tires. I don't think he's been to an event yet he was transferred to do a business startup so he's been busy. But it sounds like he'll be there tomorrow.