Zarizi Tech
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Official WRCCA RC Comp crawling rules 2020: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AFkkloN_zL7M1nuWUTmTyoLwcog9V3KO-Kqe67hNcAI/edit?usp=sharing
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Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020
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Seen this on fb pic below.
Here's the changed rule for 2019.
1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and
sequence. If the vehicle progresses an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or out of
sequence will result in a 10-point penalty and the judge will stop time. (Progress is at least one
front and one rear tire needs to be completely through the gate). The vehicle is then moved
back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the
vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle
to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once
progress is awarded for a specific gate, it can be passed through in any sequence or direction.
We've always ran this course direction rule.
Enter gate from wrong or out of sequence equals 10pt penalty repositioned at last progress gate.
This has alway been an USRCCA rule from what I remember.
WRCCA Definition of progressed gate.
(Progress is at least one
front and one rear tire needs to be completely through the gate)
With above definition of a progressed gate we can enter a gate Wrong direction or out of sequence with 1 axle/tire and not get a penalty. Because 1 axle/tire doesn't equal progress.
The way I've seen this rule 1.12 course direction ran is any part of of the rig/tire (from 1 axle) enters the plane of a gate traveling wrong direction or out of sequence it's been called as a 10pt penalty repositioned to last progressed gate.
So if I'm reading this right no penalty until the 2nd axle breaks the plane of the gate to be out of sequence or wrong direction penalty.
Doesn't Sound right but is this correct?
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Here's the changed rule for 2019.
1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and
sequence. If the vehicle progresses an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or out of
sequence will result in a 10-point penalty and the judge will stop time. (Progress is at least one
front and one rear tire needs to be completely through the gate). The vehicle is then moved
back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the
vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle
to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once
progress is awarded for a specific gate, it can be passed through in any sequence or direction.
We've always ran this course direction rule.
Enter gate from wrong or out of sequence equals 10pt penalty repositioned at last progress gate.
This has alway been an USRCCA rule from what I remember.
WRCCA Definition of progressed gate.
(Progress is at least one
front and one rear tire needs to be completely through the gate)
With above definition of a progressed gate we can enter a gate Wrong direction or out of sequence with 1 axle/tire and not get a penalty. Because 1 axle/tire doesn't equal progress.
The way I've seen this rule 1.12 course direction ran is any part of of the rig/tire (from 1 axle) enters the plane of a gate traveling wrong direction or out of sequence it's been called as a 10pt penalty repositioned to last progressed gate.
So if I'm reading this right no penalty until the 2nd axle breaks the plane of the gate to be out of sequence or wrong direction penalty.
Doesn't Sound right but is this correct?
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Here's how the 2013 1.12 rule reads..
1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts)*Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence. Any part
of the vehicle entering an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a 10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.
Notice the any part of Vehicle entering un-cleared gate
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1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts)*Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence. Any part
of the vehicle entering an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a 10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.
Notice the any part of Vehicle entering un-cleared gate
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With rules as of 1-15-19
I can drive over half my rig in to a gate (1 axle) wrong direction or out of sequence then reverse out of gate with only 1pt reverse penalty.
Or reverse half my rig into gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) with only 1pt reverse penalty.
Or flip though a gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) without penalty
"thumbsup"
I can drive over half my rig in to a gate (1 axle) wrong direction or out of sequence then reverse out of gate with only 1pt reverse penalty.
Or reverse half my rig into gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) with only 1pt reverse penalty.
Or flip though a gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) without penalty
"thumbsup"
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Zarizi Tech
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Why change the rule it seems so much simpler the original way?
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Some of the committee thought it was too harsh for just a inch of the car to go in the gate area and get +10 and a repo. Next two years we will try this way and see how it changes the game.
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Harsh or not it was simple.. IMO the committee should have left the rule asis.
Zarizi Tech thank you for the answers...
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IMO WRCCA committee should reverse their decision of changing the original 1.12 course direction rule.
Rule should stay as below.
1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence.
Any part of the vehicle entering an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a 10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.
I'm glad WRCCA committee didn't change more rules.
Rule should stay as below.
1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence.
Any part of the vehicle entering an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a 10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.
I'm glad WRCCA committee didn't change more rules.
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Interesting.
I can see arguments ensuing between driver and judge.
“Stop time, wrong course direction repo.”
“BS, that was only my front axle that bounced through the gate!”
Off to the review booth. We should all wear body cameras! :ror:
I can see arguments ensuing between driver and judge.
“Stop time, wrong course direction repo.”
“BS, that was only my front axle that bounced through the gate!”
Off to the review booth. We should all wear body cameras! :ror:
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I think under the new rule change it's possible to enter the gate with 1 tire or 1 axle from a wrong lntended direction in order to get a clean progress on a gate.
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If this was wrong intended direction of gate (I know in picture it's correct direction).this would be legal under the new rule because it's not prgress yet. Correct?
I understand the new rule, I just don't understand why the committee decided to change the old 1.12 course direction out of sequence rule. make no sense to me.
I guess to make it a positive change we just need to figure out how to take advantage of this rule change.
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I understand the new rule, I just don't understand why the committee decided to change the old 1.12 course direction out of sequence rule. make no sense to me.
I guess to make it a positive change we just need to figure out how to take advantage of this rule change.
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I don't mind this rule change...
Is just something that we have to be aware while judging.
Imagine that the car falls from the line and lands reverse direction inside a gate.
As it is now we would not get a penalty (as long as no progress is done), as we would before.
Is just something that we have to be aware while judging.
Imagine that the car falls from the line and lands reverse direction inside a gate.
As it is now we would not get a penalty (as long as no progress is done), as we would before.
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The rule change was/is a bad decision by the WRCCA committee IMHO. They changed a straight forward rule and opened it up for arguments on course.
However I seem to be the only one who thinks this.
Next rule change will be it's only a gate penalty if both tires on same side of rig hit the gate. Because it's unfair/harsh for a driver to be penalized for hitting a gate with only 1 tire.
Just my 2 cents.
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However I seem to be the only one who thinks this.
Next rule change will be it's only a gate penalty if both tires on same side of rig hit the gate. Because it's unfair/harsh for a driver to be penalized for hitting a gate with only 1 tire.
Just my 2 cents.
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While I agree it doesnt feel like a good change and will be one exploited very easily by veteran drivers ...... we should at least be fair and let it play out for the season.
Doesnt feel fair letting drivers do something purposely to benefit themseves and give them an open door to not get penalized. I can remember gates where if I could have put a front axle through and burn the ass I would have been in better position to progress in correct direction. No penalty or even reverse just progress and move on.
But ...... at least we have a set of rules thats newer then 2013 "thumbsup"
Doesnt feel fair letting drivers do something purposely to benefit themseves and give them an open door to not get penalized. I can remember gates where if I could have put a front axle through and burn the ass I would have been in better position to progress in correct direction. No penalty or even reverse just progress and move on.
But ...... at least we have a set of rules thats newer then 2013 "thumbsup"
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Zarizi Tech
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It is true it changes many things in gate approaching and course building and even the whole philosophy of course itself. It might make things more complicated or it might open it up to be easier for the drivers and judges. We shall see after some time. WRCCA committee is a democracy and we have voted what will happen with this rule. This rule was changed because there were more people against the old rule than with it. Let's see. "thumbsup"
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Do you have a link to who is a WARCC committee member?
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Samu Sarka - Finland
Cameron Gillam - Australia
Curt Callaway - USA
John Slichter - USA
KJ Skiby - USA
William Gaudermann - USA
Yoshiaki Kataoka - Japan
Cameron Gillam - Australia
Curt Callaway - USA
John Slichter - USA
KJ Skiby - USA
William Gaudermann - USA
Yoshiaki Kataoka - Japan
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Samu Sarka - Finland
Cameron Gillam - Australia
Curt Callaway - USA
John Slichter - USA
KJ Skiby - USA
William Gaudermann - USA
Yoshiaki Kataoka - Japan
Thank you Samu, I missed this information somehow.
Looks like we have a great WRCCA committee.
Even though I don't like the rule change for a few reasons. We couldn't ask for a better WRCCA committee thanks to all of you guys for your time, commitment and all you do for our hobby.
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Cameron Gillam - Australia
Curt Callaway - USA
John Slichter - USA
KJ Skiby - USA
William Gaudermann - USA
Yoshiaki Kataoka - Japan
Thank you Samu, I missed this information somehow.
Looks like we have a great WRCCA committee.
Even though I don't like the rule change for a few reasons. We couldn't ask for a better WRCCA committee thanks to all of you guys for your time, commitment and all you do for our hobby.
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The complain that I have regarding the rules, especially now that I'm building one, is the tire size restriction for the mini class...
It just makes it super hard to get a "out of the box" tire, especially when there are soooo many 1.9 tires that could work but cant because of the height.
Just limit the wheel size to 1.9 and have a less restrictive size on the maximum tire size...
It just makes it super hard to get a "out of the box" tire, especially when there are soooo many 1.9 tires that could work but cant because of the height.
Just limit the wheel size to 1.9 and have a less restrictive size on the maximum tire size...
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