Ditchrat
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Department of Justice rules that plans for 3D printed gun parts are protected under f
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WOW ..... wheres the media coverage on that statement. :shock:
hpiguy
Rock Crawler
The AR15 is not today, and has never been a military weapon. Not sure how people are still confused on this. Now the M4 platform is whole other story.
DukeMinnix
Rock Crawler
absolutely 150% correct. Uneducated activist lump the AR platform in with the M4/M16 platform because of the similarity in their appearance. Now, you can interchange a few parts and have yourself a military grade weapon, but you can also turn cow shit into a bomb if you desire. Just because a weapon is a carbine design does not make it a military weapon. Aside from the materials used in their construction and their appearance, your standard AR-15 is less destructive than my Browning 270 I deer hunt with, which is also a semi automatic rifle that is magazine fed.
CREEPERBOB
Yashua
Colts carbine is designated an M4.
The loading ramps in the barrel are a "M4" design,,, its called an M4.
I saw this on Facebook. It was a repost from the all too Liberal "Wired" magazine. People were freaking out. I love it! I'm blown away by this ruling, but I surely approve and support it. We need our freedoms preserved.
2mtech
RCC Addict
To the thinking person (yes, I realize what I just said), the AR-15 is obviously a civilian version of its military M-16 counterpart or the M-4 variant. What military would want a battle rifle lacking selective full automatic fire?
This decision is great news, but I'm not sure it holds the kind of weight that the conservative sites are touting. If the court had ruled in favor of Wilson, that would be big. If SCOTUS ruled in favor of Wilson, it would be HUGE. The DOJ giving up doesn't really carry much weight.
I suppose it eases the noose a little bit until the next administration takes control of the DOJ.
I suppose it eases the noose a little bit until the next administration takes control of the DOJ.
I'm not sure it holds any weight because I'm sure it will be overturned or regulated...it's just a matter of when.
hpiguy
Rock Crawler
That must be fairly recent. I know they used to intentionally separate the two. Thanks for correcting me, I learned something on the internet today. "thumbsup" And I mean that sincerely.
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The only real differences between the select-fire military variants and the semi-auto versions that us common folk are allowed to have, are the trigger group, the bolt, and how the back of the lower receiver is machined. Everything else is the same and interchangeable. You can label it how you'd like, but from a parts compatibility perspective, those are the only differences. From a functional perspective however, those minor differences are obviously quite substantial. 
DukeMinnix
Rock Crawler
The only real differences between the select-fire military variants and the semi-auto versions that us common folk are allowed to have, are the trigger group, the bolt, and how the back of the lower receiver is machined. Everything else is the same and interchangeable. You can label it how you'd like, but from a parts compatibility perspective, those are the only differences. From a functional perspective however, those minor differences are obviously quite substantial.
I like to talk to people about it like this...
Honda is big into formula 1 racing and have been for a very long time. A lot of the functional components on those formula 1 cars are similar in design and appearance to those of your run of the mill honda civic. Now, although some similarities exist, some striking and glaring differences also exist that makes the honda formula 1 car and the honda civic two very different animals, one of which is illegal for the average joe to drive, while the other is perfectly legal and well within our grasp. You don't see activists trying to have automobiles outlawed because they share similarities to high performing purpose built race machines. Now obviously this is a far stretch, but you see the point I'm trying to make with the comparison I'm sure.
The only real differences between the select-fire military variants and the semi-auto versions that us common folk are allowed to have, are the trigger group, the bolt, and how the back of the lower receiver is machined. Everything else is the same and interchangeable. You can label it how you'd like, but from a parts compatibility perspective, those are the only differences. From a functional perspective however, those minor differences are obviously quite substantial.
You can get full auto profile bolts. That's actually what most people prefer to run in their AR's because they are said to have more reliable operation. But are those the same as the bolts in automatic ARs or are there still differences?
CREEPERBOB
Yashua
Part numbers for bolts and trigger groups are different, the bolt is interchangeable but trigger group is not.
I see your point, but it's different than the point I was trying to make. I fully appreciate that there are significant functional changes that differentiate what we're permitted to have compared to what the ruling class is permitted to have. I was trying to point out that the naming conventions (M4, M16, AR15, etc) are not a clear or accurate way to differentiate between civilian rifles and military select-fire variants because of the significant overlap.
