Furitek and Fusion. I discovered what motor system is best for my application.

[HouseFeces]

*Revised title of the course of post to relfect it better.

I know most people love the fusion pro and I did at first too but it’s a heavy brick. I found my furitek system to be better in every single way. The furitek is much lighter even with separate esc, definitely smoother as the throttle resolution is better, more quiet, much more efficient(battery is A LOT better).

As soon as I came to the shop with a furitek system I got a lot of “why did you switch!??!!”.

I know others may say the opposite about the furitek system but I kind of wish I didn’t follow the hype. That being said, I’ve been out crawling all the redcat fusion pros because mine performs better with the furitek. It’s so efficient all I need is a 450mah 4s where as the fusion is less smooth and nowhere near as efficient on the same crawlers and same lipo. Just my experience. Some people said they fried their furiteks but I’ve already seen the fusion pro die several times so I don’t take it seriously.

The motor system everyone told me not to get has me on the front of the lines last couple of weeks and there can be nearly 30 other crawlers present. Both my 2x vrds and the redcats fusion pros have the furitek system and perform significantly better than the fusion pro I had in them before.

Take with grain of salt but I made this post because I keep getting “fusion pro is the best” only to find my furitek is better after they compare them side by side. These are just products so in reality none of this really matters. I’ll edit and finish this later with more detail.

 

[durok]

Just out of curiosity, which Furitek ESC and motor combo did you go with?

Looks like they have a few options for 1/10th scale.

 

[HouseFeces]

I went crawling after I made this post. I told my coworkers what I said here and one of them played around with my crawler for quite a while and said something along the lines of "it may not be the furitek but how I build them." He denned interested in the way they crawled and mentioned he does local comps(2-6 hours away) so I trusted his opinion. Someone else mentioned that my crawler is lighter and better for the furitek system and mentioned that he personally tried a furitek system(cannot remember if he had the outrunner or the inrunner I only thought to ask afterwards) and said it ran very hot on heavy crawlers/loaded trail rigs. I feel dumb for making this post my perceptions probably wrong or a mix of both. I think the answer is it’s best for my application.

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[bgredjeep]

Did you have a fusion pro, or the se that comes in the redcat fusion that you mentioned?

I don't really see the fusion being lauded as the best system, but it is excellent for the price and makes packaging and wiring a breeze. Now if we could get a 2800kv version in the same size as the pro...

 

[ferp420]

i have several outrunners there performance varies from rig to rig
some are buttery smooth some not so much

i just picked up a 1800se i plan to swap in to my choppra it has a outrunner and cheap chinese esc so ill see what the difference between the 2 is

all my outrunners use cheap escs no am32 or foc in those so the cheap fusion should be a upgrade

im interested in how much better the new am32 escs are and how they compare to the fusion and the cheap escs

 

[Timmahh]

The FOC does change the way the motor initially takes off and applies power.
Not sure if Furitek has this 'feature' or not as I don't own one.

But the comment you made, best for application, applies across the board IMHO.

 

[JatoTheRipper]

Furitek electronics aren't known to be the most reliable.

A Fusion SE is not the same as a Fusion Pro.

A Fusion Pro will not be a lot heavier than a similar ESC and motor combination.

You're not comparing apples to apples.

 

[durok]

I did some reading on the Furitek site and the ESC has FOC, will accept up to 4S, and interestingly it claims to have a BEC with 8A.

Always good to have more options!

Already ordered myself the Fusion Pro 2300kv for my Optic, never having run a FOC system.

I've got a Mamba X and Revolver in my Bomber and have stuck with HW 1080 ESCs and Holmes 550 Trailmasters in my other rigs thus far.

Can't wait to try out the Fusion!

 

[hnoroian]

I bought it because of the simplicity and my servo is direct powered for the cleanliness it brought to my chassis. I have quite a few hours on it and has done well for me.

 

[HouseFeces]

Did you have a fusion pro, or the se that comes in the redcat fusion that you mentioned?

I don't really see the fusion being lauded as the best system, but it is excellent for the price and makes packaging and wiring a breeze. Now if we could get a 2800kv version in the same size as the pro...

SE and Pro. I bought the pro for the VRD initially. I kept it as I satisfied with the way it crawled as long as I could keep up with everyone else I was happy. Then I played on the class 3 lines at the shop and wont go back to the class 2. I swapped to the frontline chassis, then made it lighter as I was geared towards going heavy with a weight bias that was a point of dimishing returns and eventually counter effceient and at the time and it just didn't do as well on the harder lines especially the vertical but it was better at descending which I could live without or work around, regardless weight was important to a point I even went too light of a bias in the rear at one point. I plan on using the old parts from my VRDs to build a new VRD with the fusion pro but I'm going to LOAD IT UP. Rear wheel steer, wench because it looks cool and fun and even if I don't use it it's a piece of mind I want, better rock lights, dig function and possibly mues isokinetic axles and anything else I can stick on thier that looks cool. May need to talk to scale people at that point cuz my vrd is not a scale chassis.

I bought it because of the simplicity and my servo is direct powered for the cleanliness it brought to my chassis. I have quite a few hours on it and has done well for me.

This is another reason I love the furitek. I get the full power of the servo and it's way more than enough and very fast. The BEC is very good. I drive them everyday after everyone goes to bed and then it's ME time and GO time. Or after work with the coworkers and sometimes during lunch with the coworkers. Yesterday I was not doing much crawling but letting others test my crawler because I wanted everyone elses perception and thoughts but I didn't realize how many completely different schools of thoughts everyone has involved in crawling. My initial point was my crawlers are very high milliage. The kingpin screws go into the lower plastic vanquish f10 axle and no longer stay in the hole on my indoor crawler and outdoor crawler so I ordered the f10 curry aluminum portal axle but I drove it so much. I roll a lot because I try only the hardlines and at the shop the hardlines are really meant for class 3 so I roll a lot but little by little I can make it where I couldn't go before and it gets easier and easier as I can further focus on harder lines.

I did some reading on the Furitek site and the ESC has FOC, will accept up to 4S, and interestingly it claims to have a BEC with 8A.

Always good to have more options!

Already ordered myself the Fusion Pro 2300kv for my Optic, never having run a FOC system.

I've got a Mamba X and Revolver in my Bomber and have stuck with HW 1080 ESCs and Holmes 550 Trailmasters in my other rigs thus far.

Can't wait to try out the Fusion!

4S and 8amp BEC was nice I love having a small long lasting lipo. I have it more compact with the external ESC then it was fusions SOC. I have a rhino am32 esc that I plan on building around later and since I heard they're "beasts" I may make a heavier crawler next I already plan on using the fusion pro for a loaded trail rig. I am giving the redcats to my close family hoping they get into crawling.

Furitek electronics aren't known to be the most reliable.

A Fusion SE is not the same as a Fusion Pro.

A Fusion Pro will not be a lot heavier than a similar ESC and motor combination.

You're not comparing apples to apples.

Agreed and I realized that. I think I described it too.

The FOC does change the way the motor initially takes off and applies power.
Not sure if Furitek has this 'feature' or not as I don't own one.

But the comment you made, best for application, applies across the board IMHO.

I'm not exactly sure if it has a FOC, if not, sure feels like it does. Regardless, it's very smooth even in a bind. Very good throttle resolution and torque applied smoothly. I felt a differnce compred to the fusions. I run things for a while before I upgraded anything but many times make small adjustments or mods.

i have several outrunners there performance varies from rig to rig
some are buttery smooth some not so much

i just picked up a 1800se i plan to swap in to my choppra it has a outrunner and cheap chinese esc so ill see what the difference between the 2 is

all my outrunners use cheap escs no am32 or foc in those so the cheap fusion should be a upgrade

im interested in how much better the new am32 escs are and how they compare to the fusion and the cheap escs

Same here, I have a rhino am32 but not sure I'll use it in the same type of crawler I leaned towards building a class 2 dedicated crawler but I run on the class 3 lines pretty much everytime I crawl at the indoor shop. Outdoors, it's a significantly harder to hit class 3 lines especially in the rain.

Guys I did some thinking last night... and some last minute Christmas shopping and crawling. Me me me me I I I, not meaning to sound like a meglomaniac and I'm all about me in this post but what I wanted is the opions, help and perceptions of others to help myself improve and improve my crawler. That's the biggest way I've been able to improve outside of driving and testing and adjusting/modifying which seemingly has no end, listiening to the school of thought of others has made the biggest improvments for me.

 

[Col_Sanders]

The Fusion Pro is an excellent setup. For a dedicated comp truck, it would not be my first choice mostly due to size and weight, but for most other uses it is a great option. AM32 ESCs with outrunners are smoother and lighter but they have their own drawbacks.

Just a small comparison to other options...One of our annual events is a team comp. It is kind of like an Ultra4. Some hardcore rock crawling, some hill climbs, some wide open running. Last year I won with my Fusion, but I wanted more wheel speed for this year. Just before the event, I bought a Castle Copperhead and a Holmes Puller Pro stubby and slapped it in. As soon as that event was over, I put the Fusion back in. The Fusion feels much better for a crawler.

 

[HouseFeces]

What is the smallest all in motor esc out? Is the fusion the smallest?

I watched the history of crawlers recap from Holmes. While I was reading your post I was just thinking it's nice how many options are available.

 

[hillbillyrc]

What is the smallest all in motor esc out? Is the fusion the smallest?

I watched the history of crawlers recap from Holmes. While I was reading your post I was just thinking it's nice how many options are available.

Smallest is mini 16, which I believe (could be very wrong) has bolt pattern for 1/10 motor plates. It does have a small 2.3mm shaft as it was made more for the utb18 and the stock motor shaft is also 2.3mm so it can be swapped when swapping over. I've been debating on using one in a bigger truck cause of fit and weight. But haven't yet.

 

[HouseFeces]

Smallest is mini 16, which I believe (could be very wrong) has bolt pattern for 1/10 motor plates. It does have a small 2.3mm shaft as it was made more for the utb18 and the stock motor shaft is also 2.3mm so it can be swapped when swapping over. I've been debating on using one in a bigger truck cause of fit and weight. But haven't yet.

I actually have the UTB18 and the furitkek 40amp outrunner system. That would mean I could use the furitek motor system for the UTB18 in my VRD.... if I built another it would mostly be for fun, the kicks. I cannot remember the shaft size and pinion size on the vrd.my vrd furitke system to see if the pinion would work on the mini 16 but this sounds like a pretty fun test. If the mini 16 is not longer than 37mm I can fit it in the stubby kit on my frontline for some different testing and fun. I have some reasrach to do on the mini 16. Right now I'm going to check the motor patter on furitek 40amp and plate. Might have to get the fusion mini16. Thanks for your help this gave me some projects to try even if they don't always make sense.

Update: HobbyWing QUICRUN Fusion Mini16 (2in1 FOC system)
42mm if they had a SOC system that was within 37mm I could fit on my vrd with the frontline chassis. Eventually I think someone will make them even more compact.